RMweb Premium Coryton Posted November 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2017 To be honest, the vast majority of those military or honours. There's no everyday stuff like "BLT", "HST" or even "TTFN" among them (not sure that Dr. for doctor is really relevant). I do see that conscription and National Service in the immediate Post-WWII world might have accustomed the civilian population to the use of TLAs and the like though. I guess on RMWeb BLT is just as likely to be Branch Line Terminus as a Sandwich. For WWII how about BURMA and SWALK etc.? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Untitled-1.jpg Is that modified for running on bunker fuel? I guess it would have a steam pipe for heating the oil like the oil tenders on the UP turbines. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Are you sure a Tri Bo wouldn't fit? The inspiration for me to post that was from the final NSWGR 86 class, No. 8650, which was built as a Tri Bo. I am aware that this is an electric prototype, but I'm sure it will work on a diesel. The JNR DD51 is a diesel-hydraulic B-2-B so it should be possible. Many pages back I did a class 17 Bo-Bo-Bo inspired by this. EDIT: The DJ class in New Zealand is a diesel-electric Bo-Bo-Bo. Cheers David Edited November 10, 2017 by DavidB-AU Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I don’t dispute that the population were familiar with acronyms post -WW2. My point was that they weren’t generally used as brand names in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Hence names like Blue Pullman, Triumph Bonneville and Daytona, the proliferation of named chocolate bars, the various small sporting roadsters now collectively referred to as “Spridgefires”, the Japanese “bullet train” or (possibly one of the most successful and enduring railway brand names of them all) ..... FLYING SCOTSMAN! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted November 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2017 I don’t dispute that the population were familiar with acronyms post -WW2. My point was that they weren’t generally used as brand names in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Hence names like Blue Pullman, Triumph Bonneville and Daytona, the proliferation of named chocolate bars, the various small sporting roadsters now collectively referred to as “Spridgefires”, the Japanese “bullet train” or (possibly one of the most successful and enduring railway brand names of them all) ..... FLYING SCOTSMAN! "Flying Scotsman"? The service or the disintegrating loco thats fallen off its wheels again? I agree. If you're selling directly to the public, a journalist, or within an enthusiast group, then often a catch name may have more impact than than a corporate acronym. But if you want to position a product as new/advanced, particularly if its an improvement/refurbishment of a current product, then you need a name that is in advance of the zeitgeist. InterCity 125 was used in parallel with HST, marketing vs corpspeak. Both can be used to designate the same concept. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Are you sure a Tri Bo wouldn't fit? The inspiration for me to post that was from the final NSWGR 86 class, No. 8650, which was built as a Tri Bo. I am aware that this is an electric prototype, but I'm sure it will work on a diesel. image.jpeg You should be able to see the boxes and tanks crammed in between the bogies.image.jpeg I was going to post this picture before. It's for clarity. Ah, silly me - I was trying to fit a Tri-Co in the space... How's that? 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 that gives me an idea: Class 61 bo-bo-bo-bo. Stretched 47 body, bigger more powerful engine for heavy freight, 4x 2 axle bogies so it doesn't destroy tight curves. In this alternate universe it was probably this rather than the class 56. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 InterCity 125 was used in parallel with HST, marketing vs corpspeak. Both can be used to designate the same concept. Of course the HST was originally known as the High Speed Diesel Train or HSDT; dropping the D made it much snappier. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPH 603 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) Ah, silly me - I was trying to fit a Tri-Co in the space... tribo47.jpg How's that? Looks good! That was more or less what I was imagining for my GBL conversion. Although I imagined it a bit closer to the 86 I posted earlier, with round fuel tanks. Although I don't think 47's had round underframe tanks though. Edited November 10, 2017 by DoubleDeckInterurban 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2017 For WWII how about BURMA and SWALK etc.? Not forgetting NORWICH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 "Flying Scotsman"? The service or the disintegrating loco thats fallen off its wheels again? I agree. If you're selling directly to the public, a journalist, or within an enthusiast group, then often a catch name may have more impact than than a corporate acronym. But if you want to position a product as new/advanced, particularly if its an improvement/refurbishment of a current product, then you need a name that is in advance of the zeitgeist. InterCity 125 was used in parallel with HST, marketing vs corpspeak. Both can be used to designate the same concept. The point about InterCity was that it was GENUINELY new and GENUINELY a great improvement over its predecessors. Rail travellers with limited knowledge beyond how to book a ticket, aren’t in the corporatespeak zone. Hence the persistence of terms like WAGN Train, because the bewildering succession of EMUs with liveries like soft drink cans, and TOC names of the Judean Peoples Liberation Front sort, simply don’t register. Travellers know they are a second-class service at a second-tier price and that’s all they care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Not forgetting NORWICH. Famously referred to in an episode of 'Porridge', I believe. Unfortunately the referred-to item of female underwear is spelt with an initial 'k', but don't let that get in the way of a good joke... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted November 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2017 Not forgetting NORWICH. I didn't forget - I was hoping not to start a discussion of whether it should be KORWICH or not. I failed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I didn't forget - I was hoping not to start a discussion of whether it should be KORWICH or not. I failed. I thought I had... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 It was an educational experience looking up WW2 acronyms. CAPSTAN is probably my favourite... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 It was an educational experience looking up WW2 acronyms. CAPSTAN is probably my favourite... TMI.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPH 603 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) My personal favourite (a NSWGR Railmotor Carriage Code) is TBR. Trailer First Restaurant (the NSWGR's First and Second class codes were kind of dumb in my opinion). It's just a really distinctive code that just sticks to me. From the Rail Motor Society Edited November 11, 2017 by DoubleDeckInterurban 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted November 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2017 Whilst on WW2 terms, don’t forget the friendly enquiry “how’s your mother off for dripping?” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Hows this for a idea. There are lots of SD40s going for scrap in the USA, so how about buying the bogies and motors off these, a simple I beam underframe, and class 58 cabs. Inbetween you fit the electrical systems and a last mile diesel engine. A class 86 replacement with the heavy haul needed, 2000 ton freights and 4500hp at rail. The only reason you use 86s in multiple is because of tractive effort, not that you need 8000hp. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted November 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2017 So it's like a class 59 or 66 made out of spare parts? I like it, would that make it a 'frankenshed'? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) A 67 stretched to the same length as a 66 with an extra bogie. Room to fit the 4300 hp 16-710G3C engine and still run at 125 mph with minimum impact on the track. Probably powerful enough to maintain an HST schedule with 8 x Mk 3 and a DVT. Cheers David Edited November 14, 2017 by DavidB-AU 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Take that body and put the bogies off the 89 under it and you will have a good idea of the loco that EWS wanted originally, but Brush wanted too much monies for the bogie. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Take that body and put the bogies off the 89 under it and you will have a good idea of the loco that EWS wanted originally, but Brush wanted too much monies for the bogie. Excuse my ignorance, but what's special about the class 89 bogies? (this is imaginary locos after all, it may give me ideas ) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 The 89 bogies are unique in being 125mph, 3 axle bogies. Everything else that can go faster than 100 has 2 axle bogies. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2017 The 89 bogies are unique in being 125mph, 3 axle bogies. Everything else that can go faster than 100 has 2 axle bogies. In the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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