Guest Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I'm sure I somewhere once saw an outline diagram of a proposed Peppercorn 4-8-2. Anybody attempted that leviathan? Could mock up a Western equivalent... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 (edited) I'm sure I somewhere once saw an outline diagram of a proposed Peppercorn 4-8-2. Anybody attempted that leviathan? It was a Gresley locomotive (I think that's the one you mean...), and would sir like it Streamlined or Unstreamlined? (By Graeme King of this and the LNER parish)http://www.lner.info/forums/download/file.php?id=15242&mode=view (By 2002EarlMarschal of the LNER parish) Other models have been built of the Gresley one, and I know I knocked together a mock-up a Peppercorn I1 with the Hornby Tornado picure: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/36691-lner-peppercorn-i1-4-8-2-60610 And Matthew has done this one of it, in BR Express Blue http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/26187-peppercorns-magnum-opus-the-m1/ Some discussion here: http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1230 Edited August 28, 2014 by 69843 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raised On Steam Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Two words: Awe Some! I'll have that to go thanks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Would you like a chip with that?! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raised On Steam Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Just look at the length of those boilers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raised On Steam Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 This has jogged my memory. I think I read that when Peppercorn assumed the CME office he considered reviving Gresley's monster engine. But I could be getting mixed up with Bulleid here. CME's are like buses - three at once. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 It's not brilliant, due to software limitations, but I gave it a shot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raised On Steam Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Next it'll be the Churchward version of a Big Boy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Next it'll be the Churchward version of a Big Boy On a serious note, don't think the software will allow it! (Only allows conventional locomotives wheelbases ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 So, been back to Panniers... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) There seems to have been plans by the genius/lunatic (delete as appropriate!) that was Oliver Bullied for a whole family of locos based on the Q1 including tank locos and a 4-6-2 Pacific!!!! The drawings do exist, and Hornby Q1s can be picked up reasonably cheaply if you are not too fussy about condition at the moment... Hmmmm.....u Edited August 29, 2014 by John M Upton 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Isambarduk Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) Nicer :-) The 'old' one (0-8-0PT) could still do with some safety valves, though! David Edited August 29, 2014 by Isambarduk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted August 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2014 I've always been interested in the NE railway electrification scheme. My suggestion for a pre grouping electric freight locomotive would be a double articulated Bo-Bo-Bo-Bo equipped for both 3 rail and overhead collection. The pantograph(s) would be carried on the centre unit which would be articulated to the centre two bogies, all four bogies would be fitted with shoe beams. The outer units would be similar to the 1922 Metropolitan Metro-Vick Bo-Bo locomotives without of course the second cab and articulated to the centre bogies. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raised On Steam Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 By chance today I happened on the writing I was trying to recollect earlier about 4-8-2's. It's in 'Thompson and Peppercorn Locomotive Engineers' by Col H Rogers: 'It is worth considering what would have happened in the LNER locomotive world if there had been no Nationalisation. JF Harrison would, of course, have succeeded Peppercorn as CME……... ……The locomotive that Harrison would have designed would have been a 4-8-2 with a round top boiler pressed at 275 psi, three cylinders 21in by 26 in stroke, driving wheels 6ft 4 in diameter, Caprotti valve gear ( independent to each cylinder), automatic stoker, single shot lubrication wherever possible and a corridor tender……. …..Harrison's three cylinder simple would have been a stage towards a much more revolutionary engine….another 4-8-2 but this would have been a four cylinder compound with the high pressure of 400 psi and a water tube firebox…..There is every possibility that Harrison's proposed compound would have developed more drawbar power than the 'Deltic' diesels.' What a beast that would have been! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Ok, you get the plans and...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Well I might as well share more ideas. So there was a proposed Passenger Garret by Beyer Peacock to the LMSR, it of course was shot down when the 'Fowlerized' Garrets flopped. There were in fact numerous proposals by BP for new designs, including an idea to rebuild the compounds as 4-4-2+2-2-4 Garrets, though that could just have been Peacock giving up on subtlety. Either way they never got the chance to correct the mistakes. However lets dodge the depressing reality for the comforting fantasy, oldest habits and all that. Lets assume for a minute that B.P is allowed to do its thing and the Garretts are highly successful. So successful in fact that it convinces the management of the merits of Big Engines, but the Newspapers are too busy interviewing the first pig to reach mach 2 to point out any flaws, so the LMSR is promedly Garrattized. Stanier arrives on cue, but after a bit of reboiling, gets bored and heads back to the GWR, narrowly beating Collett to the post, Collett then fires his running coach. With the LMSR focusing on maximizing train load and not speed, Gresley is able to build his eight coupled giants, P1s go on to be a tremendous success as do the P2s. Meanwhile both Stalin and Hitler die after challenging each other to a duel, the globe is shocked by the sudden transformation of both the USSR and the Third Reich into functioning Multiparty democracies. Germany apologies to Poland for being a terrible neighbour and for stealing the last after eight, Russia likewise Finland. The Europeans realize that their rather nasty to one and other and resolve to stop these silly tiffs, France declares her undying love for the United Kingdom and the latter responds 'I've never had the heart', the two make mad-passionate political and economic union together, Ireland gets in on the act as well. world peace is declared, chocolate cake and tea for all, Humanity unites and colonizes the Moon and Mars by means of the London and Lunar Space Railway, the motive power being nuclear powered FTL garretts in 30s styling. Yours ScR 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 2, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2014 I've added some "mod-cons" such as westy-house pumps and air tanks, headlights, a giesl ejector, mini-snowploughs, modified cab and tender to be enclosed and roller bearings etc etc. Better than towing an ETHEL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOxon Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Truth can be stranger than fiction - I could never have imagined this one: see http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/3/3e/Er18560104a.pdf for more information. Mike 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Well I might as well share more ideas. So there was a proposed Passenger Garret by Beyer Peacock to the LMSR, it of course was shot down when the 'Fowlerized' Garrets flopped. There were in fact numerous proposals by BP for new designs, including an idea to rebuild the compounds as 4-4-2+2-2-4 Garrets, though that could just have been Peacock giving up on subtlety. Either way they never got the chance to correct the mistakes. However lets dodge the depressing reality for the comforting fantasy, oldest habits and all that. Lets assume for a minute that B.P is allowed to do its thing and the Garretts are highly successful. So successful in fact that it convinces the management of the merits of Big Engines, but the Newspapers are too busy interviewing the first pig to reach mach 2 to point out any flaws, so the LMSR is promedly Garrattized. Stanier arrives on cue, but after a bit of reboiling, gets bored and heads back to the GWR, narrowly beating Collett to the post, Collett then fires his running coach. With the LMSR focusing on maximizing train load and not speed, Gresley is able to build his eight coupled giants, P1s go on to be a tremendous success as do the P2s. Meanwhile both Stalin and Hitler die after challenging each other to a duel, the globe is shocked by the sudden transformation of both the USSR and the Third Reich into functioning Multiparty democracies. Germany apologies to Poland for being a terrible neighbour and for stealing the last after eight, Russia likewise Finland. The Europeans realize that their rather nasty to one and other and resolve to stop these silly tiffs, France declares her undying love for the United Kingdom and the latter responds 'I've never had the heart', the two make mad-passionate political and economic union together, Ireland gets in on the act as well. world peace is declared, chocolate cake and tea for all, Humanity unites and colonizes the Moon and Mars by means of the London and Lunar Space Railway, the motive power being nuclear powered FTL garretts in 30s styling. Yours ScR I'll have a pint of what you're on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I'll have a pint of what you're on! If you're brave enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raised On Steam Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) I forgot to add the rest from the Thompson/Peppercorn book that although Harrison didn't get the chance to built his massive East Coast monster he did get to build Duke Of Gloucester later at Derby and incorporate many of his ideas therein with Riddles' blessing. Apart from the Kylchap chimney of course (since rectified). So 71000 very much had LNE DNA and apparently had to be fired like an A4 and not like a Duchess which was the state of affairs on the West Coast. This is where it's dodgy reputation started to come from. It's been recorded that if it had been tried among the A4's on the ECML it might have been a different story……but we know this now fortunately! Thenabouts though of course came the first Deltic which changed everything on the Eastern seaboard! I've often thought it's a shame that none of the new build projects are a second Duke. Edited September 2, 2014 by Raised On Steam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) Weren't the BR Standard 9F 2-10-0, originally planned to be a 2-8-2 with larger driving wheels? I ask this because one of the other members of the MRC has a model of one... I'll try get a picture next time he brings it to a running night... Edited September 2, 2014 by talisman56 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted September 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) I was musing, 'what if Riddles' team had intended for a steam shunter rather than the 08? In effect a shortened 2MT tank, slightly similar to the 1500 class. Edited September 18, 2014 by Corbs 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Truth can be stranger than fiction - I could never have imagined this one: Ritchie'sLocomotive.jpg see http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/3/3e/Er18560104a.pdf for more information. Mike i once drew something just like this when i was 10, its nice to know that someone else was crazy enough to think of it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 BR-standard-shunter.jpg I was musing, 'what if Riddles' team had intended for a steam shunter rather than the 08? In effect a shortened 2MT tank, slightly similar to the 1500 class. BR-standard-shunter2.jpg Reminds me of the Southern USA tanks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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