BR(S) Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 159008 Exeter St Davids by Ryan Taylor, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Administrators Popular Post AY Mod Posted September 14, 2019 Administrators Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2019 A few more shots from what was on the table yesterday. It is apparent that projects are moving along more swiftly as the new factory gets into full swing with more projects in process in the last six months than we have seen for a long time. It's also evident that some clearer air is being shown between Bachmann and other mainstream RTR producers in terms of functionality and quality of features. The first Class 20/3 samples arrived a few months ago but had been held back a little to show the item for the first time at the Bachmann Collectors' Club event, the model brings the Class 20 into the 21st century with its depiction of DRS liveries and working lights. We have seen the EP samples of the 94xx previously but it was pleasing to look at the model more closely, it should be a strong performer with a very respectable weight to the model. It is hoped that livery samples will be on show at Warley 2019. The Class 24/1 pleases all round too and, in my view, really captures the features. Decorated samples of the Class 117 and Class 121 were on show, the decoration of the early 'speed whisker' livery is particularly good with ex-works underframe detail. There is a stunning piece of decoration on the blue/grey version with a minute 'Please close the door' sticker on the drop window, the text of which can only be about 0.3mm tall. Both classes are expected to arrive early in 2020. The low-level drive unit means that the interior floor level is commendably low and the 117/121 project has been a beneficiary of the substantial re-design which went into the Class 158 re-tooling. The Johnson 1P has so many tolling permutations to the project to depict the locomotive from Midland Railway through to British Railways with different boilers, chimneys, safety valves and bunker coal rails for eaxmple. It struck me how well-balanced it is with the centre of gravity just behind the centre of the rear driver indicating that it should be strong and stable. In testing it has handled 15 coaches on the level and five coaches on the test-track gradients which are about 1 in 30. A look underneath shows it should be relatively straightforward to re-gauge to EM/P4. We had chance to operate the 45T Ransome's steam crane as well as look in awe at the detail levels. The small knob has a magnet in one end to remove the circular panels on the rear of the cab to access the operable mechanism and the other end has a square peg to turn the fitting to raise and lower the jib and hook. With extendable outriggers and full rotation it's very posable for breakdown scenes. Comprehensive instructions are under preparation which even include how to re-rig the the jib and hook if anything unfortunate happens at some point. The model will be shipped in a larger box with the jib raised to keep the cables under tension to ensure the model reaches the customer in the best possible condition. The Class 158 and 159 should arrive in early 2020, I was really taken with the GWR surprisingly as I'm not that fond of the contemporary livery but Bachmann have done something a little different with the paint finish with the dark green having an increased sheen compared to other models which with the matt diagonal band gives a pleasing differential in the finishes. One feature which caught my eye was the finesses of decoration to the door control panel and signs. The decoder socket is very easy to access with the removable underfloor panel. We had the opportunity to test the sound-fitted version of the 159 which has an amazing array of sounds even down to the windscreen wipers. It was interesting to note how the sound-fitted model operated under analogue control with smoothed acceleration and deceleration evident in addition to the basic running sounds (so it's not just for DCC!). Whilst both the 158 and 159 come with pre-fitted speakers the 159 benefits from having a speaker in each of the end cars to give a degree of separation on where the sound appears to come from. The 158 has a single speaker. The N gauge star of the show was the first EP sample of the Class 319 unit, the shape is looking very good and there's a nice feature with the end couplings facilitating the coupling of multiple units together whilst maintaining better appearance, a huge improvement on a big rapido hook. The model will be on show for the first time to customers at TINGS 2019. The N gauge Mk2F and DBSO have reached decorated sample stage, the directional lights on the DBSO are stunning! Decorated samples of the N gauge Thompson coaches were available for inspection including the complex fake teak finish which, I think, works even better in 2mm scale than it does in 4mm. 12 17 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, AY Mod said: It's also evident that some clearer air is being shown between Bachmann and other mainstream RTR producers in terms of functionality and quality of features. That should keep RMweb going for another few years. 2 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted September 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2019 Fair play to Bachmann, the 94xx models look spot-on, especially the contractor series (9410-9499, 8400-8499 & 3400-3409. I wonder how many modellers will renumber their locomotives to 3408? ian. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 10 hours ago, Ian Hargrave said: DoverMarine ( remember that ? ) I remember that! 10 hours ago, Ian Hargrave said: 1959. But not that. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2019 All good stuff here; I am in awe of the chains on the 45ton crane! It does look like Bachmann are continuing the improvement in detail and appearance of models which began with Airfix and Baccy's predecessor Mainline back in the Silurian era before a lot of folk on this forum can remember. Improving is getting harder as the general standard is raised, but all of these new models look as near perfect as one has any right to expect from volume RTR. It costs, of course, and the 94xx will be the single largest purchase I have ever made for a model railway item, but the quality is first class and I think the prices are fair. Also good to hear that the 117 and 121 have lower floors. A 121 would be justifiable for Cwmdimbath if I ever implemented my vague plan to have alternative stock for early/mid-60s operation, 08, 14, and 37, and as interior detail is particularly important on dmus which have such a clear view to the inside, I find the otherwise excellent Dapol 121 unacceptable in this regard. Hopefully B have gilded this particular lily with an option on blue/grey, all blue, and green liveries to get rid of the incorrect double red tail lights that all RTR dmus seem to insist on. The trains carried an oil tail lamp in those days, though the marker lights did have red shades that were stored in their own box in the cabs. Mention is made of the new factory facilities coming on line, so I am looking forward to my 94xx next May and will not complain if it turns up before that! Now, if I can just persuade Hornby to re-tool the 2721 to modern standards and Dapol to release the diagram N auto trailer in 00, followed by a rethink of their proposed prairie as a Collett 31xx... Well done Blue Box! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) Wonderful to see progress on the 158, did they mention that the gloss shall be 'toned' down a little for the main release? Must be in production now, if they want to reach the UK by Feb? Weirder question, did you observe the tampo numbering on the GWR example being over the gloss finish to allow easy re-numbering as I have two on order to re-form into a 158/9. Hornby annoyingly gloss over the tampo printed numbers making re-numbering more of a challenge. A smart move would be to changing the tampo finish on the EMT to EMR on half the batch... And just incase Bachmann are reading... That 319 would look fantastic in OO with two 'power-packs' and an exhaust to make the 769 in TfW and GWR! Bachmann might have more success in delivering a working example before GE do the prototype! Edited September 14, 2019 by 159220 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Hi Andy, thanks for for sharing the update photos. The 20/3 looks very nice and looks like I’ll have enough time to save for a couple. I like the 117’s too plenty of detail in that underframe. Its positive to see the quality and new new models progressing from Bachmann. Thanks Mark 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted September 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) What is it with Bachmann and their overthick window frames? The 117 and Farish 319 suffer from it, as did the OO Mk2f coaches and Class 101 before that. They should be almost flush with the body sides. Otherwise the new models look great, especially the 117; when will it be offered BR blue and/or GSYP please...? Any news on reliveries please? The Blue with dominoes 47/0 and LL 47/7 in particular. Edited September 14, 2019 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 159220 said: That 319 would look fantastic in OO I second that. pretty impressed with Bachmanns growing collection of samples, theres a lot of good stuff coming to completion there. Edited September 14, 2019 by adb968008 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 That breakdown crane really is something special! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, brushman47544 said: What is it with Bachmann and their overthick window frames? Agreed. The 117 bolections are over the top. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted September 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2019 I note the smoke box face on the MR 0-4-4T is a separate component. The ability to detach this will aid de-Deeleyfication. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted September 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2019 The 24/1s allocated to Scotland mostly (only?) had tablet-catcher recesses and headlights. The Bachmann model is not that version—.a perverse decision since most of the demand for a 24/1 was, I feel, for the "Scottish" version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) I haven't kept up with Baccy's latest offerings That crane just cries out to be motorized & DCC fitted, is that a proposed option? Edited September 14, 2019 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators AY Mod Posted September 14, 2019 Administrators Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, melmerby said: That crane just cries out to be motorized & DCC fitted, is that a proposed option? I very much doubt it as it would be prohibitively expensive with multiple motors and decoders, but I'd love to see someone try it. Someone will! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2019 Absolutely, but not me! I would expect a factory version fully motorised with DCC as a limited edition to run close to a grand, and inspire entire layouts designed around it. Don't forget a crane such as this is not just used for breakdown work (in fact the bulk of 'incidents', fortunately, don't require a crane and can be dealt with by 'the vans', which carry jacks, chains, ropes, packing, and cutting/wrecking equipment and have messing facilities), but, with breakdown cover arranged from other depots, can be booked out on major Civil Engineering jobs such as big bridge girders that require that sort of lifting ability. Breakdown work at Canton in the 70s included contract arrangements with British Steel, and I once went out with the vans to re-rail one of their shunting engines which had tripped over something and was in the dirt. As the traincrew are really only there to take the vans to site, with an 08 in this case, and have no part to play until the job is squared off and it's time to go home, we were able to take advantage of Tremorfa Works' very good, and free, canteen. I also took the 75ton crane out to Queen St 2 weekends running to install the long girders that carry the Valleys lines over Newport Road. These massive girders went in one at a time and weight 120 tons each, and the Canton crane dealt with one end while an 80 ton capacity hydraulic road crane handled the other, an amazing thing as a spectator sport, 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Miss Prism said: Agreed. The 117 bolections are over the top. If I remember correctly the driving trailers built to go with the Bubble cars, had external, raised window frames. But all other WR 3car suburban units had the glass held in with black rubber, which gave the glazing a very flush ' look '. Bachmann do seem to have invented an external window frame on the models. Have they been studying the LMR St Pancras/ Marylebone units for detail?. Not complaining. just an observation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) Here's what I mean about how thin the 117 bolections are: http://www.meades.org/misc/gauge_1_dmu/nottingham_pictures/class_116_motor_second_trailer_composite_lhs.jpg https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/12315 https://www.flickr.com/photos/keith-v/5819167350/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/adogriff/14534703724/ the Pressed Steel units had flat strip window retainers: http://www.docbrown.info/docspics/dales/hawes/Img_7310.jpg Edited September 14, 2019 by Miss Prism totally crap Invision editor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: Here's what I mean about how thin the 117 bolections are: http://www.meades.org/misc/gauge_1_dmu/nottingham_pictures/class_116_motor_second_trailer_composite_lhs.jpg https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/12315 https://www.flickr.com/photos/keith-v/5819167350/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/adogriff/14534703724/ the Pressed Steel units had flat strip window retainers: http://www.docbrown.info/docspics/dales/hawes/Img_7310.jpg The B&W image at Olton sums up perfectly what I ( and you ) had observed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6975 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Those bodyside grilles on the headcode 24 are way too pronounced. On the real thing they were almost flush with the bodyside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DRS Crewe On A Mission Posted September 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2019 Thanks for the update Andy. The EP of the 20/3 looks excellent. Bachmann have captured so much detailing on the underframe, bogies and even inside the cab! Very impressive. Really looking forward to these arriving now, hopefully in 2020. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Thanks for the update Andy. The 117 low floor motor is very interesting. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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