Ron Ron Ron Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Some ideas for the new Leeds HS2 station. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 "Bring Out Your Dead" Not to be outdone by the huge archeological excavations taking place at the former burial ground alongside Euston Station, Birmingham is muscling in on the act with its own "big dig". https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/hs2-exhume-thousands-brummies-who-15328366 (No jokes please, this is a grave matter). . Lets not call it HS2 lets call it the grave line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Some ideas for the new Leeds HS2 station. Why does this remind me of Basildon New Town in the 1960s? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 "Bring Out Your Dead" Not to be outdone by the huge archeological excavations taking place at the former burial ground alongside Euston Station, Birmingham is muscling in on the act with its own "big dig". https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/hs2-exhume-thousands-brummies-who-15328366 (No jokes please, this is a grave matter). . Indeed, a serious undertaking! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Let's take the worst case costs that some HS2 detractors are quoting - I think that is around £100bn. As already said that is spread out over a number of years and averages out at about £10bn a year.... ...HS2 is not about solving a current problem, although it will help to do that, it is about looking into the future to a time when many of us will no longer be here to care about it and thereby providing a degree of resilience to the network for the future. 1. Anyone who blithely asserts that £10bn a year isn't a significant amount of money needs to have a good think. Amazon only paid £4.5 million tax last year. Comparing HS2 with the NHS is also dodgy, because the NHS benefits an awful lot more people than HS2 ever will. 2. Are you sure HS2 isn't about solving a current problem? A lot of other people on here think that the WCML is full now. And it's hard to see how HS2 will increase network resilience - are we going to see Voyagers and Pendelinos running on HS2 when the OHLE is down on the WCML? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Some ideas for the new Leeds HS2 station. The top image looked awfully familiar, then I realised where I'd seen it before. HS1, a.k.a. the east side of St Pancras. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted October 27, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) Some ideas for the new Leeds HS2 station. There's already been a scare story on the Yorkshire press that the new station is going to cost 5000 jobs because they are going to demolish the Hilton hotel (Formerly the Dragonara) and Asda's headquarters. The writer didn't appear to realise that the owners of these buildings and many others got their compulsory purchase warning notices some years ago and the one that I know is rubbing his hands with glee. Fortunatley the scare was just another piece of sloppy journalism and didn't gain any traction. Just as an aside part of HS2 in that area will be on the trackbed of the original 1758 Middleton Railway which I think is quite appropriate. Jamie Jamie Edited October 27, 2018 by jamie92208 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 The bigger threat to the Asda HQ jobs in Leeds is the proposed mega-merger with Sainsbury’s They won’t need 2 corporate HQs Sainsbury HQ is Holborn. Their back office functions are Coventry having relocated from London over the past few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted October 28, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2018 1. Anyone who blithely asserts that £10bn a year isn't a significant amount of money needs to have a good think. Amazon only paid £4.5 million tax last year. Comparing HS2 with the NHS is also dodgy, because the NHS benefits an awful lot more people than HS2 ever will. 2. Are you sure HS2 isn't about solving a current problem? A lot of other people on here think that the WCML is full now. And it's hard to see how HS2 will increase network resilience - are we going to see Voyagers and Pendelinos running on HS2 when the OHLE is down on the WCML? At no point did I say £10bn was not a significant sum - stop putting words in my mouth please. Nor did I compare HS2 to the NHS, many detractors have said the money should go into the NHS though and it was in that respect that I was looking at the financial impact of diverting those funds. As for OHLE being down it seems to me that the ECML is far more fragile in that respect, at least my own experience says that the ECML OHLE is not as robust as it might be. And I think that not one of us knows wether there will be any prospect of HS2 being used as a diversionary route although, given the limited connectivity to the existing network, I doubt it is practical. And again I never said anything of the sort in my original post so once again you are taking my post and turning it to suit your own argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 1. Anyone who blithely asserts that £10bn a year isn't a significant amount of money needs to have a good think. Amazon only paid £4.5 million tax last year. Comparing HS2 with the NHS is also dodgy, because the NHS benefits an awful lot more people than HS2 ever will. 2. Are you sure HS2 isn't about solving a current problem? A lot of other people on here think that the WCML is full now. And it's hard to see how HS2 will increase network resilience - are we going to see Voyagers and Pendelinos running on HS2 when the OHLE is down on the WCML? Voyagers and pendolinos won't be running on HS2 because they are incompatible. The new railway is being designed to accommodate high performance 250ish mph trains with suitable in cab signalling systems and power to match. Voyagers are designed to a maximum of 125mph on conventionally signalled routes. Whether they will receive ETCS signalling capability is a moot point since they will be 25+ years old when HS2 phase 1 is planned to open. Additionally the only access to the HS2 route would be from the Euston end and obviously crew route knowledge would be questionable anyway - although the successful bidder for the next franchise is intended to operate both routes initially. I assume HS2 phase 1 is to the UK "standard" 25kV at 50hz, which pendolinos are, but again the speed variance, cab signalling and crew knowledge would be huge issues. This all assumes HS2 will be delivered anywhere near it's planned timetable. Edited October 28, 2018 by Covkid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2018 I shall watch the development near my house with interest and I shall be interested in the passenger loadings and how it affects other routes plus it will be interesting to see just what happens on these routes destination wise.My house is not devalued by HS2 its gone up due to other factors I think that now I am far more worried about government plans for housing and roads especially as one will abstract traffic from EWR.Hope you all enjoy traveling on the first train I will wave as you go by The real guide to the success of HS2 will not so much lie in counting passenger numbers on its trains but in counting additionally available paths on the WCML. That is why it is being built, to relieve capacity problems on the WCML and those problems are best seen in pathing availability rather than most other measures. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 2. Are you sure HS2 isn't about solving a current problem? A lot of other people on here think that the WCML is full now. And it's hard to see how HS2 will increase network resilience - are we going to see Voyagers and Pendelinos running on HS2 when the OHLE is down on the WCML? No, but a benefit of HS2 is that in the event of a blockage on the WCML passengers could take HS2 to Birmingham and backtrack from there to say Coventry, Rugby, Northampton or Milton Keynes. Slower than normal certainly but a viable all-rail route. Another reason to build HS2 ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 There's already been a scare story on the Yorkshire press that the new station is going to cost 5000 jobs because they are going to demolish the Hilton hotel (Formerly the Dragonara) and Asda's headquarters. The writer didn't appear to realise that the owners of these buildings and many others got their compulsory purchase warning notices some years ago and the one that I know is rubbing his hands with glee. Fortunatley the scare was just another piece of sloppy journalism and didn't gain any traction. Just as an aside part of HS2 in that area will be on the trackbed of the original 1758 Middleton Railway which I think is quite appropriate. Jamie Jamie Absolutely - the sooner that gawdawful Leeds Hilton goes, the better for everyone. Moneygrabbing barstewards in a 1960's hovel. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) Voyagers and pendolinos won't be running on HS2 because they are incompatible. The new railway is being designed to accommodate high performance 250ish mph trains with suitable in cab signalling systems and power to match. Voyagers are designed to a maximum of 125mph on conventionally signalled routes. Whether they will receive ETCS signalling capability is a moot point since they will be 25+ years old when HS2 phase 1 is planned to open. Additionally the only access to the HS2 route would be from the Euston end and obviously crew route knowledge would be questionable anyway - although the successful bidder for the next franchise is intended to operate both routes initially. I assume HS2 phase 1 is to the UK "standard" 25kV at 50hz, which pendolinos are, but again the speed variance, cab signalling and crew knowledge would be huge issues. This all assumes HS2 will be delivered anywhere near it's planned timetable. The pendolinos when first introduced were intended to work on the wcml at 140mph, but the upgrade work planned for the wcml ran into problems and was scaled back. One aspect that was dropped was in cab signalling that the pendolinos already had the capability for, but was deemed too expensive to implement on the wcml. So yes the pendolinos could well be compatible with hs2, maybe even the voyagers but I'm not sure if they were ever designed with cab signalling in mind. Besides, at 25 years old there would still likely be plenty of life left in either. Some stock running now is over 40 years old or 50 years old and still going well. Edited October 28, 2018 by Kelly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Just came across this document. It states Wigan NW will become an ‘integrated high speed station’, where passengers can catch HS2 trains. With trains running every hour, Birmingham will be just over half an hour away, and London less than 90 minutes. Over 15,000 passengers a day will be able to travel on the high speed network to and from Wigan. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/575898/RFS14_Wigan_V2.pdf Also these https://www.hs2.org.uk/stations/wigan/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37987816 All good news to me - though it's better to stop here as the speed limit through Wigan, as previously mentioned, is around 60mph due to curves either end (which would cost many millions to straighten - especially the north end, 2 tracks on a high embankment). I wonder if King Charles will open our new North West HS2 integrated hub ? - I can imagine -- At breakfast that morning the King was asked by Camilla what his itinerary was for today, He told her that he was off to Wigan to open HS2, and asked what attire he should wear. Camilla looked at the King, all quizzical and said “Wigan ? Wigan ? Wear the fox hat” !!! Brit15 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Demolition work gathers pace...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 A 1999 view from the McLaren Building, looking towards the then Parcelforce Depot behind the Curzon St. Station building. (image courtesy of Alan Williams) In more recent times (image: Darren Quinton)....... 2012 (images: Graham Young)...... Work has now commenced on clearing the site of the new HS2 station (images: HS2)....... The Curzon St. HS2 station site (image: Graham Young). The archaeological dig is taking place beneath the white tented structure. The buffer stops will be located above the tented structure in the photo, with the Queensway entrance and forecourt beyond, fronting Moor St. Queensway and adjacent to Moor St. Station. Artist's rendering of the Queensway entrance, adjacent to Moor St. Station (image: HS2)....... . 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 HS2 Chairman expects to be sacked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46414477 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 HS2 Chairman expects to be sacked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46414477 No surprise. He ran Tubelines during the Jubilee Line Upgrade fiasco, far worse than the CrossRail delay. I have never met him and have no idea of his personal qualities, whereas plenty of people have acknowledged his contribution to major infrastructure, through a CBE and then a Knighthood. The problem is, who on earth is left in the UK infrastructure world (that has not already retired or is of an age where they are unlikely to see through such a high pressure, high profile scheme,) that has sufficient experience, skills and credibility, to chair a scheme of this magnitude? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 HS2 Chairman expects to be sacked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46414477 Hopefully without a huge pay-off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium pete_mcfarlane Posted December 1, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2018 HS2 Chairman expects to be sacked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46414477 I'm bemused by the comment from Manuel Cortes of the TSSA, who said "it was always nuts to have one person responsible for heading up both these enormous infrastructure projects." Does he really think it's just one person making all the decisions? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I'm bemused by the comment from Manuel Cortes of the TSSA, who said "it was always nuts to have one person responsible for heading up both these enormous infrastructure projects." Does he really think it's just one person making all the decisions? I doubt it. After all, having responsibility doesn't mean taking every decision. But then, there is one person above Sir Terry who apparently never bears any responsibility for anything - Chris Grayling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Jonboy Posted December 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) Speaking of Chris Grayling... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46461606 ...cause he says it, it will be so... Edited December 7, 2018 by Jonboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Speaking of Chris Grayling...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46461606...cause he says it, it will be so... Page not found - 404 error Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ely_South Posted December 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2018 Page not found - 404 error Drop the full stops and 'cause' at the end of the link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46461606 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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