D9001 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, mozzer models said: photo of tooling on facebook Good. I, for one, hope that he delivers and makes those making snide quips on here share a very large humble pie. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted August 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, D9001 said: Good. I, for one, hope that he delivers and makes those making snide quips on here share a very large humble pie. I too hope that he delivers - but I've not read any 'snide' comments; just cautious comment - quite justified in the light of recent events. Quite a few overly-optimistic punters stand to lose significant money as a consequence of very similar circumstances. Let's all hope that history does not repeat itself. Regards, John Isherwood. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9001 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Well, he seems to be making progress, first moulds produced now. Genuine question; did DJM get as far as KR have now got with their crowdfunded products? Edited August 22, 2019 by D9001 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted August 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, D9001 said: Well, he seems to be making progress, first moulds produced now. Genuine question; did DJM get as far as KR have now got with their crowdfunded products? I really couldn't say - but I genuinely hope that all goes well and the confidence of crowdfunders is justified. Regards, John Isherwood. Edited August 22, 2019 by cctransuk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleander Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I too have read that KR models hope to have an EP of GT3 at the great eletric trains show. I think he has miss a trick here .Given every thing thats been happing with crowdfunding . He said once production has started the books closed . I Think production is just about to start. So If any one see the EP of GT3 at the Great eletric train show they can not order one. Had he held the book open till say a week after Warley . The delay would have been small and possibly he might have got a lot more orders. John 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted August 22, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2019 It's not too late for KR Models to do just that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 hours ago, D9001 said: Well, he seems to be making progress, first moulds produced now. Genuine question; did DJM get as far as KR have now got with their crowdfunded products? N Gauge Class 17 reached the working EP stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 On 20/08/2019 at 07:41, t-b-g said: Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? Common misconception. Presumed guilty until the accused can prove otherwise! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted August 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2019 10 hours ago, lofty1966 said: Common misconception. Presumed guilty until the accused can prove otherwise! Perhaps I am a bit behind the times. In this world of trial by social media, getting a few negative comments in, often out of "genuine concern" that somebody who has done nothing wrong might do something wrong is clearly the way forward. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 hours ago, t-b-g said: Perhaps I am a bit behind the times. In this world of trial by social media, getting a few negative comments in, often out of "genuine concern" that somebody who has done nothing wrong might do something wrong is clearly the way forward. It not the media, it's the way the law works. You get arrested and charged, the burden of proof is on you to prove your innocence. Trust me. Been there, done that. But back to topic on hand, let's hope KR pulls through! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 21 hours ago, D9001 said: Genuine question; did DJM get as far as KR have now got with their crowdfunded products? Class 71 was delivered. 19 hours ago, oleander said: I too have read that KR models hope to have an EP of GT3 at the great eletric trains show. I think he has miss a trick here .Given every thing thats been happing with crowdfunding . He said once production has started the books closed . I Think production is just about to start. So If any one see the EP of GT3 at the Great eletric train show they can not order one. Had he held the book open till say a week after Warley . The delay would have been small and possibly he might have got a lot more orders. The other side is that if you keep the order book open then you discourage people from taking part in the early part of a crowd-funding project, thus putting any further projects in jeopardy as everybody "waits for the EP samples" to commit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9001 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) We all know the risks of crowdfunding; it’s a matter of faith. Edited August 23, 2019 by D9001 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9001 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Keith Revell says on the GT3 thread that he has a truck full of humble pie ready for certain parties to eat! custard or gravy, folks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-fan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 25 minutes ago, D9001 said: Keith Revell says on the GT3 thread that he has a truck full of humble pie ready for certain parties to eat! custard or gravy, folks? In Keith's defence he does not actually state he has a truck load of humble pie ordered, just a food truck. His response is a gesture at the suggestion that humble pie will need to be consumed by the apparent doubters who approached this project with caution asking pertinent mostly unanswered questions. It is after all their money that may be invested in the project and they quite rightly have the need for their questions to be responded to not largely ignored. I am pleased though that Keith has shown the courage of his convictions to once again post on the GT3 thread. Keith has shown a few blocks of metal tooling which is indeed progress. I do hope that the food ordered is not perishable as a release date is still a long way off as tooling needs to be completed, then test samples, then approval given that details are correct or further tooling is needed, then approval for livery, final sign off and then production and distribution. Has a production slot been already set in stone or a delivery distribution system been contracted? What will be the final drive solution? Once more, lots of questions. I will set the dinner table for this time next year at the earliest. There is a big difference between contracting for tooling and producing a locomotive than simple plaster castings and maybe Keith needs to taste some humble pie as well before the project reaches a hopefully successful conclusion next year. 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted September 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 1, 2019 On 23/08/2019 at 18:39, D9001 said: We all know the risks of crowdfunding; it’s a matter of faith. Faith is justified - sometimes. It's actually a matter of whether you gamble with your money - or not. I don't - but then I built my own GT3; the only gamble that I took was whether my faith in myself as a loco-builder was justified. I was pretty certain that I knew the answer to that - so my gamble was minimal. Each to their own - if you can't or won't build locos, your choices re gambling are much fewer. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, cctransuk said: Faith is justified - sometimes. It's actually a matter of whether you gamble with your money - or not. I don't - but then I built my own GT3; the only gamble that I took was whether my faith in myself as a loco-builder was justified. I was pretty certain that I knew the answer to that - so my gamble was minimal. Each to their own - if you can't or won't build locos, your choices re gambling are much fewer. Regards, John Isherwood. This reminds me of Ernie Wise saying: “No-one is more humblier than me”. Cheers Darius 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted September 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 1, 2019 25 minutes ago, Darius43 said: This reminds me of Ernie Wise saying: “No-one is more humblier than me”. Cheers Darius Sorry - I don't follow you? Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 1, 2019 6 hours ago, cctransuk said: Sorry - I don't follow you? Regards, John Isherwood. I believe he is suggesting you are blowing your own trumpet by boasting you can build locomotives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted September 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: believe he is suggesting you are blowing your own trumpet by boasting you can build locomotives. Then he would be wrong - anyone can build locos, if you are prepared to serve the 50+ year apprenticeship that I and many others have undertaken. I couldn't have built GT3 when I started, but so many people "want it now" and, if it isn't already available RTR, then they must consider the gamble that is crowd-funding. As I said, faith does not come into it. Regards, John Isherwood. Edited September 2, 2019 by cctransuk 2 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9001 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 01/09/2019 at 00:48, GWR-fan said: In Keith's defence he does not actually state he has a truck load of humble pie ordered, just a food truck. His response is a gesture at the suggestion that humble pie will need to be consumed by the apparent doubters who approached this project with caution asking pertinent mostly unanswered questions. It is after all their money that may be invested in the project and they quite rightly have the need for their questions to be responded to not largely ignored. I am pleased though that Keith has shown the courage of his convictions to once again post on the GT3 thread. Keith has shown a few blocks of metal tooling which is indeed progress. I do hope that the food ordered is not perishable as a release date is still a long way off as tooling needs to be completed, then test samples, then approval given that details are correct or further tooling is needed, then approval for livery, final sign off and then production and distribution. Has a production slot been already set in stone or a delivery distribution system been contracted? What will be the final drive solution? Once more, lots of questions. I will set the dinner table for this time next year at the earliest. There is a big difference between contracting for tooling and producing a locomotive than simple plaster castings and maybe Keith needs to taste some humble pie as well before the project reaches a hopefully successful conclusion next year. Mike (Enterprising Western) Said that presumably Keith will have a few dishes of humble pie on offer at October’s Great Electric Train Show. Keith responded by saying that he had ordered a food truck. Sorry, I don’t see the problem. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 22/08/2019 at 19:49, D9001 said: Well, he seems to be making progress, first moulds produced now. Genuine question; did DJM get as far as KR have now got with their crowdfunded products? The class 71 was crowdfunded, it was produced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted September 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2019 Mr McLeod wins this round An interesting and unusual choice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted September 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2019 19 hours ago, D9001 said: .... Keith responded by saying that he had ordered a food truck. ..... So that'll be a new model of the Palethorpes sausage van then. Mmmm, snorkers .... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 4, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2019 3 hours ago, PMP said: Mr McLeod wins this round An interesting and unusual choice. Sorry - I don't follow you? Regards, Colin McLeod 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted September 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said: Sorry - I don't follow you? Regards, Colin McLeod Nor I ?!? John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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