ianmacc Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) Hi. I have a Lima mk3 TGS in blue ‘inter city’ livery. Were these only used in HST sets or were they used in loco hauled sets too? I was wondering as it should say ‘inter city 125’ strictly speaking if that’s the case? I am hoping it’s useful for loco hauled services rather than liveried incorrectly but I cannot recall seeing them and would it negate the need for a proper guards van? Edited August 3, 2019 by ianmacc Clarified reason for question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted August 3, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) HST only, I'm afraid. IIRC Lima left the '125' off all of the Mk3 coaches so they could 'represent' loco-hauled stock (there are a lot of detail differences between LH and HST types). This was OK for the TSO, FO and RUB but the TGS was only ever HST. Edited August 3, 2019 by keefer To add info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6975 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Three loco hauled Mk3b BFOs were built, 17173-5. These were not exactly the same bodyshell as a TGS but were very similar. Originally used on the WCML, they eventually found their way to the Great Western Night Riviera sets. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmacc Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, keefer said: HST only, I'm afraid. Thanks for the quick response. One for the sales pile... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmacc Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 3 hours ago, D6975 said: Three loco hauled Mk3b BFOs were built, 17173-5. These were not exactly the same bodyshell as a TGS but were very similar. Originally used on the WCML, they eventually found their way to the Great Western Night Riviera sets. Thanks. This is numbered in the 44xxx series so is definitely HST. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 As has been said, yes, the TGS were always definately HST only. The non-standard ETS system (415v 3-phase ac) would prevent their use as loco hauled stock. They also lacked buffers (other than the van end of TGSs converted for the sets that used a 91 on one end). Also, the TGS, rather than TBS designation is as they also lack any hand / parking brake, this is only provided by the power cars on the sets. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 On 04/08/2019 at 21:10, Ken.W said: As has been said, yes, the TGS were always definately HST only. The non-standard ETS system (415v 3-phase ac) would prevent their use as loco hauled stock. They also lacked buffers (other than the van end of TGSs converted for the sets that used a 91 on one end). Also, the TGS, rather than TBS designation is as they also lack any hand / parking brake, this is only provided by the power cars on the sets. I believe quite a few Mk3 TGS coaches received buffers on the Western in the 1980s as sets were often knocked out with a Generator car on and loco hauled. This would have required conventional couplings on either end of the set, and it makes more sense do designate the guards end of the TGS as one end and use the Generator van next to the FO as the converter at the other end. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted August 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) I thought they just used a barrier coach (mk2 brake coach)? The generator van used (ex-BG ADB 975325) would act as barrier on the other end, as you say. The buffers were retracted to couple to the HST rake, with buffers extended and draw-hook available to couple to the loco. The barriers were B4 bogied (genny van B5) which would allow them to be hauled at 100mph, this was enough as they would usually be hauled by cl.47 or 50 locos. Edit: found a mention in other threads: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/124278-western-region-carriage-formationsworkings-intoout-of-london-mid-late-1980s/&do=findComment&comment=2779946 https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/83483-br-ic125-barrier-coach-formations/&do=findComment&comment=1383131 Edited August 7, 2019 by keefer 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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