RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2019 Report that Northern will not be able to meet deadline for withdrawl of Pacers. https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2019/07/15-pacers-now-set-to-stay.html Will DaFT grant a derogation against the requirements which become law at the end of this year or are we looking forward to a lot of short-formed and cancelled trains. Many peak services on Northern are already loading over capacity. Chaos looms on the horizon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted July 15, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 15, 2019 I have a feeling that Transport for Wales will also find it difficult to replace its Pacers in time. Jonathan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Pacers being late. Whoda thunk it? ;-) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said: Report that Northern will not be able to meet deadline for withdrawl of Pacers. https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2019/07/15-pacers-now-set-to-stay.html Will DaFT grant a derogation against the requirements which become law at the end of this year or are we looking forward to a lot of short-formed and cancelled trains. Many peak services on Northern are already loading over capacity. Chaos looms on the horizon I think it is almost certain that there will have to be derogations and not just on Northern. It's been pretty clear for a while now that replacements for all the non-compliant stock were unlikely to be in place in time. Derogations will probably be seen as less politically unacceptable than wholesale cancellations and short forms particularly after last years timetable fiasco. Edited July 16, 2019 by DY444 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted July 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2019 I thought from the title that this thread was a beauty contest! The Miss Pacer Withdrawl! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Colin_McLeod said: I thought from the title that this thread was a beauty contest! The Miss Pacer Withdrawl! I reckon they’ll be gone by April 25th Edited July 16, 2019 by Talltim 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) Class 153s are not PRM compliant either, and they're staying in traffic but will have to be coupled to a compliant unit after December (eg 150, 155 etc). The only bit of a Pacer which is non-compliant is the toilet, and nothing in the PRM regs says a train has to have a toilet - just that if it does it has to be compliant. You don't need a derogation, just a screwdriver ... Edited July 16, 2019 by Wheatley 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Wheatley said: Class 153s are not PRM compliant either, and they're staying in traffic but will have to be coupled to a compliant unit after December (eg 150, 155 etc). The only bit of a Pacer which is non-compliant is the toilet, and nothing in the PRM regs says a train has to have a toilet - just that if it does it has to be compliant. You don't need a derogation, just a screwdriver ... Are they fitted with the right sort of PIS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) I think the ex-Merseyrail ones have PIS of sorts (?). Edited July 16, 2019 by Wheatley 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Wheatley said: I think the ex-Merseyrail ones have PIS of sorts (?). Nah, they just smell like it. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Never had a Pacer smell before. Pendos do though. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 16, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2019 Voyagers used to get a bit over-ripe, especially when I travelled on the last train of the day to stockport just after they were introduced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2019 The Pacers now have a terrible musty smell which is quite nauseating. But they have to be used until whenever they eventually get withdrawn. I believe Heaton is being made ready for the first ones to be withdrawn later next month. Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiles Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Hurrrrrrah!!! Long live the mighty Pacer! (Reaches for hat and coat and heads for the naughty step) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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