metman Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Very useful info. Would be nice if they could 'knock up' 9 56 ton ore carriers as well to go with my SW Class 24's! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold johndon Posted July 29, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said: From the B&W image I have seen by David Larkin they are the standard Grey outer and Orange Grey for the others. On a plus point they ran in sets of nine! Mark Saunders I've got a few colour photos as well, it's just that the grey in the CAD images looks a bit bluer than in some of the photos. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Patrick/Fran Will the auto couplers be available as spare if anyone wants to convert a LMS brake van or BR brake van chassis to an adaptor? Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
retbsignalman Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Good evening, I've just taken a proper look at the train formations and destinations sheet. I was aware of the Chislehurst ARC terminal, but there's an Ashford terminal too on there too. Would that be Hothfield or was there a flow to Ashford as well? Which leads me to ask how big a train was (is) it? Guessing motive power in the mid 80s to 2000ish would have been 56s/58s/59s/60s. Might have to exercise the credit card. Again! Thank you, Graeme Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted July 29, 2019 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted July 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said: Patrick/Fran Will the auto couplers be available as spare if anyone wants to convert a LMS brake van or BR brake van chassis to an adaptor? Mark Hi Mark, It will be a standard ‘knuckle’ type coupling, compatible with the likes of Kadee etc. HTH Fran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haymarket47 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Hi, can someone explain the difference between “outers” and “inners”? Thanks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted July 29, 2019 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Haymarket47 said: Hi, can someone explain the difference between “outers” and “inners”? Thanks Sure, the outer packs feature two wagons with conventional draw gear and buffers on one end to couple up to a locomotive, while the inner wagons feature knuckle couplers and no buffers. This is as per the real wagons, so if you buy an outer and inner set, you would bookend the rake with two wagons from the outer set, while the rest would be coupled together using the knuckle coupling. Outer, note the buffers on the top and bottom wagons Inner, note all the knuckle couplings Hope that make sense! Cheers! Fran Edited July 29, 2019 by Accurascale Fran 1 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) Hi Outers are buffer fitted on outer end only. Inners have no buffers at all. For my Ravenscraig rake I will need one grey outer and one orange and grey outer. Stephen Edited July 30, 2019 by ayrmrg 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haymarket47 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 16 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said: Sure, the outer packs feature two wagons with conventional draw gear and buffers on one end to couple up to a locomotive, while the inner wagons feature knuckle couplers and no buffers. This is as per the real wagons, so if you buy an outer and inner set, you would bookend the rake with two wagons from the outer set, while the rest would be coupled together using the knuckle coupling. Outer, note the buffers on the top and bottom wagons Inner, note all the knuckle couplings Hope that make sense! Cheers! Fran Hi Fran That makes perfect sense thanks for your prompt reply! Alan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Hi Fran That's great news on the decision to produce the orange and grey inners. I will PM you regarding changing my order. Are there any thoughts on producing weathered versions at a later date? Stephen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted July 30, 2019 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted July 30, 2019 13 hours ago, johndon said: I've got a few colour photos as well, it's just that the grey in the CAD images looks a bit bluer than in some of the photos. John Hi John, The livery for Consett is not the same as the grey/orange Ravenscraig PTAs. While the basic grey and orange parts are the same the lettering is completely different. . They were delivered with large four-digit pre-TOPS numbers which later changed to a large five-digit TOPS number. They also carried a large BSC logo and a line marking the centre of the wagon. Finally they marked the two ends of the rake with a large red “A” or “B” on a yellow panel. We may do them in a future run! Hope this helps. 12 hours ago, retbsignalman said: Good evening, I've just taken a proper look at the train formations and destinations sheet. I was aware of the Chislehurst ARC terminal, but there's an Ashford terminal too on there too. Would that be Hothfield or was there a flow to Ashford as well? Which leads me to ask how big a train was (is) it? Guessing motive power in the mid 80s to 2000ish would have been 56s/58s/59s/60s. Might have to exercise the credit card. Again! Thank you, Graeme Hi Graeme, There was a flow to Ashford in the late 80's from Whatley. It used to be unloaded in Powell Duffryn's coal depot at Ashford where there was a hopper discharge. Although it appears to only run three days a week it was actually an "either / or" working. On Tuesdays and Thursdays it ran to Sevington supplying roadstone for Channel Tunnel terminal construction. On the days it didn't run to Ashford (Mon, Wed, Fri) it could also run as 6Z06 08.10 Whatley to West Drayton ARC Terminal. Note: We didn't include the West Drayton or Sevington terminals on the map as we've not come across any photos of the PTAs in these trains yet, although other boxes were used on the Sevington trains. Doesn't mean they never went there of course. If anyone has photo evidence, feel free to share! The inners for both British Steel liveries have been very popular so far! Thank you to everyone who has placed an order. Cheers! Fran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted July 30, 2019 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 hours ago, ayrmrg said: Hi Fran That's great news on the decision to produce the orange and grey inners. I will PM you regarding changing my order. Are there any thoughts on producing weathered versions at a later date? Stephen Hi Stephen, We have no plans to make factory weathered finishes as we do not feel they are good enough. Cheers! Fran 2 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold johndon Posted July 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Accurascale Fran said: Hi John, The livery for Consett is not the same as the grey/orange Ravenscraig PTAs. While the basic grey and orange parts are the same the lettering is completely different. . They were delivered with large four-digit pre-TOPS numbers which later changed to a large five-digit TOPS number. They also carried a large BSC logo and a line marking the centre of the wagon. Finally they marked the two ends of the rake with a large red “A” or “B” on a yellow panel. We may do them in a future run! Hope this helps. Fran Thanks Fran. I've ordered the grey orange one's don't mind having to respray. Cheers John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted July 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2019 Very tempted to get a rake of these, but not sure which livery. Should look good and sound good behind a trio of sound fitted 37s. Did the wagons used on the Ravenscraig and Llanwern flows have the same livery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted July 31, 2019 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted July 31, 2019 13 hours ago, ColinK said: Very tempted to get a rake of these, but not sure which livery. Should look good and sound good behind a trio of sound fitted 37s. Did the wagons used on the Ravenscraig and Llanwern flows have the same livery? Hi Colin, If you do we'd love to see video of them with triple 37s! The Ravenscraig ones were the grey and orange, and the Llanwern ones were the blue and orange. Hope this helps! Cheers, Fran 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted July 31, 2019 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted July 31, 2019 Thought I'd interject with some prototype inspiration. I really wish I got to hear the sound of these trains in person! 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 18 hours ago, ColinK said: Very tempted to get a rake of these, but not sure which livery. Should look good and sound good behind a trio of sound fitted 37s. Did the wagons used on the Ravenscraig and Llanwern flows have the same livery? The BSSW blue livery is relatively recent as I am sure all were delivered in a version of grey with orange for the rotary end. Some BSRV ones did go to South Wales when Ravenscraig closed! Mark Saunders 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzer Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 All the more reason for Accurascale to do a 37 next. The Bachy ones are very dated. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted July 31, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2019 Thanks for the info on liveries. A rake duly ordered. One of my friends has a 00 garden railway, will be fun to to take my rake of wagons there and video them being pulled by my three sound fitted 37s. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanspareil Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 How do you obtain the 10% discount on an inner and outer pack bought at the same time? Does it apply to iron ores as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted August 1, 2019 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted August 1, 2019 8 hours ago, sanspareil said: How do you obtain the 10% discount on an inner and outer pack bought at the same time? Does it apply to iron ores as well? Hi, If you use this link we have provided above you will get the discount. It applies to iron ore packs too. https://accurascale.co.uk/discount/PTA-Bundle?redirect=%2Fcollections%2Fpta-jta-jua-bogie-tippler-wagons cheers! Fran 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regional Boy Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 On 31/07/2019 at 12:53, Accurascale Fran said: Hi Colin, If you do we'd love to see video of them with triple 37s! The Ravenscraig ones were the grey and orange, and the Llanwern ones were the blue and orange. Hope this helps! Cheers, Fran My lasting memory of these is as a 7/8 year visiting my Nan, mid to late 70’s, being taken by my long suffering dad to Pencoed Level crossing to watch the trains go by. The anticipation and excitement as the signalman in the box spun the huge wheel to close the gates. It was the ‘new’ HSTs I secretly wanted to see but the sheer exhilaration as one of these monster trains stormed past was second to none. The noise, smell & vibration was incredible. What I recall is, 3 beautifully filthy blue 37s and a rake of wagons - so dirty the livery was indistinguishable. Ive ordered packs of the blue and orange but it’s that gloriously dirty train I’d like to recreate. Cameras back then were an unaffordable luxury, so sadly I’ve no images., If by some miracle anyone can point to a site or post any from that era it would be amazing. Thanks 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
retbsignalman Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) On 30/07/2019 at 10:35, Accurascale Fran said: On 29/07/2019 at 21:29, retbsignalman said: Good evening, I've just taken a proper look at the train formations and destinations sheet. I was aware of the Chislehurst ARC terminal, but there's an Ashford terminal too on there too. Would that be Hothfield or was there a flow to Ashford as well? Which leads me to ask how big a train was (is) it? Guessing motive power in the mid 80s to 2000ish would have been 56s/58s/59s/60s. Might have to exercise the credit card. Again! Thank you, Graeme Hi Graeme, There was a flow to Ashford in the late 80's from Whatley. It used to be unloaded in Powell Duffryn's coal depot at Ashford where there was a hopper discharge. Although it appears to only run three days a week it was actually an "either / or" working. On Tuesdays and Thursdays it ran to Sevington supplying roadstone for Channel Tunnel terminal construction. On the days it didn't run to Ashford (Mon, Wed, Fri) it could also run as 6Z06 08.10 Whatley to West Drayton ARC Terminal. Note: We didn't include the West Drayton or Sevington terminals on the map as we've not come across any photos of the PTAs in these trains yet, although other boxes were used on the Sevington trains. Doesn't mean they never went there of course. If anyone has photo evidence, feel free to share! The inners for both British Steel liveries have been very popular so far! Thank you to everyone who has placed an order. Cheers! Fran Good afternoon, Thank you for that Fran, credit card duly exercised for an inner and outer set (thanks for the 10% discount too), looking forward to running them on Maidstone East in the new year! Might have to invest in a(nother) 56 to haul them...…. Cheers, Graeme Edited August 5, 2019 by retbsignalman incomplete sentence 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 'Ah go on go on go on go on you know you want to' ................. I confess that I bought 3 Hornby 37s years ago thinking I should like to run the full rake of the Port Talbot/Llanwern train that I saw a few times while waiting at Cardiff Central. I missed out on the Lima offering and I should hate to miss out on these too! Means I'll have to find 3 updated 37s ..................... When are these due to be available as I've committed my self to the TPE and 'Sleeper' already? Cheers, Philip 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted August 5, 2019 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Philou said: 'Ah go on go on go on go on you know you want to' ................. I confess that I bought 3 Hornby 37s years ago thinking I should like to run the full rake of the Port Talbot/Llanwern train that I saw a few times while waiting at Cardiff Central. I missed out on the Lima offering and I should hate to miss out on these too! Means I'll have to find 3 updated 37s ..................... When are these due to be available as I've committed my self to the TPE and 'Sleeper' already? Cheers, Philip Hi Philip, We expect them in January 2020! Cheers! Fran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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