RMweb Premium njee20 Posted June 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Pete the Elaner said: I wasn't going from any 2nd hand news reports. The radio comms between Vettel & the team were played on TV. He clearly said "I saw him but I had nowhere else to go". The radio clip I heard was Vettel saying "I didn't even see him" or something to that effect... I'm not sure where I sit. I think making him cede the position would have been better, but would have needed to be done immediately. Had there not been a wall there Lewis would have been through. Had Lewis not have taken evasive action they'd have crashed. Vettel made the error. Those three things make me think that some action did need to happen. 5 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Jol Wilkinson said: Having now looked at C4's F1 Highlights programme, my initial reaction was that SB was rather harshly judged. However, I then looked at Autosport's website which gives a more in depth analysis of the reasons for the Steward's decision. https://www.autosport.com/ Thanks for this - well worth reading and nails it for the stewards' decision and shows Vettel is being rather economical with the truth. The in-car views show: He definitely saw Lewis, and looked in his mirror more than once on leaving the grass. He had gained control of the car and was heading to the left, but then allowed the car to drift right, to cut Lewis off. It will be interesting to see how Ferrari appeal against that evidence. 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I find it more interesting that Hamilton has said he would have done the same thing if the roles were reversed. I expect very few Drivers in front would have done differently in the same situation. All would want to get back on the track and not loose their position. It's all split second decision stuff. 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) He's just being honest about it. They try it on and sometimes they get away with it. What is more interesting us what Hamilton DIDN'T say. Would he have reacted like Vettel... There was a simple solution for Vettel, make sure he was 6 secs ahead... But he couldn't because he wasnt fast enough. Perfectly valid win for Hamilton. Edited June 10, 2019 by Hobby 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, Hobby said: There was a simple solution for Vettel, make sure he was 6 secs ahead Or, prior to the incident, learn how to defend effectively - see Hamilton, Monaco, 2019. (And yes, I know it's rather easier at Monaco due to the nature of the track, but it's also a lot easier to make a terminal mistake there, which Lewis avoided doing.) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 More then likely he would because I doubt any driver would be happy getting a penalty. Lewis is just as prone to being upset when things don't go his way. Although, would Vettel have gotten a penalty if there wasn't a wall there? Then Lewis would have kept his foot in as there wouldn't have been a risk of crashing. Then it would depend on how much Vettle contined to squeeze and they would have ran side by side down the next straight. It's a natual reaction of any racer to attept to stay ahead in that situation. That there was a wall there and he made his opponent take avoiding action by his actions is the cause of the penalty. Is the penalty wrong or not is irrelevant, it has been given due to the circumstances and the evidence at hand. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 6 hours ago, ejstubbs said: But that's not what he was penalised for, according to the stewards: it was the unsafe way in which he rejoined the track. And Vettel's plea in mitigation - which makes some sense in that context - was that he didn't have any choice, due to the configuration of the track in that location... Once off the track, it's a different rule set, whether the car is under driver control or not. That's all that matters in terms of Vettel incurring a penalty, because clearly enough rejoining the track was unsafe. The driver obeying the rules in the incident gets the benefit over the one breaking the rule, quite properly I was however surprised at a fixed time penalty being applied. Requiring Vettel to cede the lead to Hamilton would have been just as effective, and might have resulted in closer racing and his reclaiming the lead, and also would not so seriously disadvantage Vettel with respect to other drivers, who were not directly affected by the off track excursion. I would hope that the stewards adjust their thinking to keep that in mind for any similar future incidents. 6 hours ago, Andrew P said: BREAKING NEWS. VETTEL TO STEP DOWN AT SUMMER BREAK. Well it's only a wild prediction from me, heheh. On 01/01/2019 at 11:39, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: Vettel retires at end of season, My marker, wot I got in gud and urly. On 01/04/2019 at 12:56, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: ...What we have learned over the years: Vettel ... When closely followed by another championship calibre driver he falls off the track. He's got potentially fourteen more events in which to demonstrate this endearing characteristic. He's a farm boy I believe? Probably feels more at home on the grass... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2019 Wasn't it Canada some years back when Jenson harried him - though not as closely as Lewis - and Vettel spun? 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: Wasn't it Canada some years back when Jenson harried him - though not as closely as Lewis - and Vettel spun? Yup, it certainly was. The day Jensen went frae first to last... 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 53 minutes ago, iak said: Yup, it certainly was. The day Jensen went frae first to last... And last to first in a hares breath. The Vet spun on the last lap, I think he kicked his tyres that day as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) VERY NAUGHTY of Ferrari. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/26940122/ferrari-forgot-tell-leclerc-vettel-penalty Edited June 10, 2019 by Andrew P add pic 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Andrew P said: VERY NAUGHTY of Ferrari. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/26940122/ferrari-forgot-tell-leclerc-vettel-penalty LeClerc seems to think it would not have made any difference if they had told him?? Or at least, that what he was told to say, perhaps. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Clearly didn't want Vettel to be even more upset by dropping him to third! Got to protect that No1 status! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted June 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Andrew P said: VERY NAUGHTY of Ferrari. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/26940122/ferrari-forgot-tell-leclerc-vettel-penalty Vettel would really start throwing his toys out of the pram in that case. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 All his toys are gone, time for his big nappy next time!!. Le Clerc is becoming a star driver in more ways than one, with his professional attitude to Ferrari's antics is to be applauded. One for Mercedes next season ?. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 He certainly is if the radio message he gave following the race is anything to go by. Not worreid at all by the fact he was only then being told of Vettel's penilty and that he could have got 2nd. He was more worried about saying that it was a shame and that the team had worked really hard. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Oldddudders said: Wasn't it Canada some years back when Jenson harried him - though not as closely as Lewis - and Vettel spun? One of the greatest (and longest) races of all time! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Actually the biggest brat/cry baby of the weekend was Kevin Magnussen. After wrecking his car in Q2, his mechanics worked through the night to get him onto the pit lane for the start. Thanks? No, just a gripe that the car wasn’t quick enough. 2 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted June 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2019 So is there now no requirement to put your car in Parc ferme? He's lucky not to have been flat disqualified imho 2 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 11, 2019 We have heard a lot about "track limits" in recent seasons. Not a mention here. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 7 hours ago, RedgateModels said: So is there now no requirement to put your car in Parc ferme? He's lucky not to have been flat disqualified imho Neither did he appear to go through the weighing scales on his (eventual) way to the podium lounge. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Good article , without the hysteria etc. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48583803 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Whether Vettels actions were right or wrong the fact remains that he failed to deal with the pressure from Lewis and was second best which is where he finished 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Jonboy Posted June 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 11, 2019 Agreed on the Kevin magnasson front, fair play to Gunther Steiner for telling him to shut up in the end... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I would love to ken what is happening in the Ferrari garage at the moment. The #1 (?) driver is behaving like a spoilt child. The new, quick and younger driver keeps getting dumped on. Then you have a car which appears to have rather large weaknesses which keep mucking things up. The future weeks will have some significant entertainment value... 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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