RPNaylor0301 Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Good spot - think I was too quick into revolution's site. At least I can get away without adding catenary for these! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted March 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 6, 2021 17 hours ago, Allegheny1600 said: Wait a minute! What about the classes 50 and 55? Was it that they were not current or what? Cheers, John. As with the locos themselves, Bogie design evolves as time goes by. No sane company is going to reuse a 50 year old design on an otherwise state of the art loco. At the time of ordering the 67s, the bogie under the 89 was the most up to date UK approved high speed Co-Co design, but its design rights remained with Brush Traction and so far the cost of reproducing it by other loco builders has been considered too expensive. However the bigger problem is with UK passenger trains dominated by unit formations there its simply not cost effective for anyone to start developing a high speed Co-Co design due to the low sales potential, you need high sales volumes to recoup the R&D. In fact if it wasn't for BR telling Brush they were looking for a large number of 89s for the WCML and ECML its doubtful that the bogie under the 89 would have been created in the first place! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, phil-b259 said: In fact if it wasn't for BR telling Brush they were looking for a large number of 89s for the WCML and ECML its doubtful that the bogie under the 89 would have been created in the first place! Mind you isn't it a close variant of that under the 58, 60 and 92 though so wasn't too much of a stretch for Brush..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted March 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 6, 2021 22 minutes ago, frobisher said: Mind you isn't it a close variant of that under the 58, 60 and 92 though so wasn't too much of a stretch for Brush..? The 60s and the 92s came after the class 89 so if anything the class 89 bogie could be said to be the pioneer for those two classes. The class 58 was developed by BREL / BR and not Brush so is no relevance. However the biggest thing you ignore is the 58s, 60s and the 92s bogies were most definitely not of the high speed type! They were all about the ability to shift heavy freight trains up to a maximum of 75mph. The locos being ordered by the ROG are for transfer moves, logistics / intermodal and charter work - the latter two needing locos capable of sustained 100mph running. A Co-Co design optimised for heavy freight haulage is a world away from whats needed from a high speed passenger variant... 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 8 hours ago, phil-b259 said: The class 58 was developed by BREL / BR and not Brush so is no relevance. Beyond them "somehow" being the precursor of the design... Brush clearly took that design and produced a related high speed variant. 8 hours ago, phil-b259 said: However the biggest thing you ignore is the 58s, 60s and the 92s bogies were most definitely not of the high speed type! They were all about the ability to shift heavy freight trains up to a maximum of 75mph. Absolutely ignoring nothing, just noting the related nature... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Latest info & picture. https://railopsgroup.co.uk/news/ Paul 3 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 A decent livery at last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted April 7, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2023 15 hours ago, stewartingram said: A decent livery at last. Brunswick Green? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike_Walker Posted April 7, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2023 And I wonder what significance of that could be... 🤔 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted April 7, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2023 Looks good , would have preferred blue to green , but I suppose it has to advertise it’s green credentials Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 (edited) Another look at the first Class 93 now undergoing testing in Spain...... https://railcolornews.com/2023/04/06/uk-rail-operations-group-first-class-93-locomotive-is-out/ . . Edited April 9, 2023 by Ron Ron Ron 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan product fan Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 0Q26 Castle Donnington to Worksop passing Chesterfield with 37800 hauling 93001 and 93002 on the 9-9-24 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan product fan Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 20-5-24 37608 Hauls 93001 to Worksop Yard past Chesterfield 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Wedge Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Ooh, that’s really nice. I was worried that this new design loco would look kind of like a shrunken Euro design and get it’s proportions all wrong but this is great. Well done, Stadler/RoG! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nova Scotian Posted September 10 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10 The slightly smiley front face reminds me of the 365s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 There's something about those locos that remind me of something... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 ....I don't know why but those Class 93 locos seem to be grinning to me... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morello Cherry Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 7 hours ago, vulcan product fan said: 20-5-24 37608 Hauls 93001 to Worksop Yard past Chesterfield There is something quite ironic about it being towed there by one of the oldest non-preserved locos on the railways. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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