fezza Posted Monday at 22:37 Share Posted Monday at 22:37 Maybe think about a GWR branch line junction to ensure operational interest? Dulverton would make an excellent model - you could even justify the odd foreign loco such as an N class if you set it in the 1950s. Many rural branches had little traffic and a 14xx and autocoach will only keep you entertained for so long ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted Tuesday at 08:26 RMweb Premium Share Posted Tuesday at 08:26 17 hours ago, RaritanFan4 said: But what would be “typical”? A single-road carriage shed or none at all. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted Tuesday at 08:35 RMweb Premium Share Posted Tuesday at 08:35 (edited) 37 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: A single-road carriage shed or none at all. Would I be right in supposing that a terminus with a carriage shed would also of necessity be one with an engine shed? This would mean that the first passenger train of the day was from the terminus to the junction rather than vice-versa, and the last train of the day down to the terminus. No doubt that would in many cases be the preferable arrangement for the travelling public but less efficient from the railway company's point of view! Edited Tuesday at 09:03 by Compound2632 typo. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted Tuesday at 12:04 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:04 And a regular 4am early turn fire lighting job........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaritanFan4 Posted Tuesday at 12:35 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:35 13 hours ago, fezza said: Maybe think about a GWR branch line junction to ensure operational interest? Dulverton would make an excellent model - you could even justify the odd foreign loco such as an N class if you set it in the 1950s. Many rural branches had little traffic and a 14xx and autocoach will only keep you entertained for so long ... I had my mind set on 1930s GWR. I wanted to switch between one of three train sets for passenger Small prairie with B set 14xx with autocoach (usual) 64xx sandwiched with two auto coaches My idea was to operate one of these based out of the terminus and then have another coming from “the junction” to the terminus. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingEdwardII Posted Tuesday at 21:46 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:46 22 hours ago, fezza said: Dulverton would make an excellent model Dulverton was a through station on the (single track) line from Taunton to Barnstaple, and also the next station west of the junction with the Exe valley line through Tiverton. There was only a small halt at the point of the junction (it was basically in the middle of nowhere), so Dulverton acted as the junction station. As a result, Dulverton station had more facilities for passenger trains than you might expect. As well as two platforms for up and down trains on the main line, there was a loop on the down side providing a third platform face - and this was used primarily by the Exe valley trains. The Exe valley trains were typically small - auto trains, B sets. However, the main line trains were often larger - 3 or 4 coaches common, while the summer Saturday trains heading to/from the seaside resorts could be much larger. In BR days, 63xx 2-6-0s seem to be common on the main line trains. Goods facilities were modest, as suited a small country town, but the freight services running through could be fairly substantial in size. Yours, Mike. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaritanFan4 Posted Wednesday at 15:35 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:35 Another question I have is about the blue markings on certain GWR coach bogies. Is there a reason why they were painted with a little blue by the axle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted Wednesday at 17:28 RMweb Gold Share Posted Wednesday at 17:28 (edited) 1 hour ago, RaritanFan4 said: Another question I have is about the blue markings on certain GWR coach bogies. Is there a reason why they were painted with a little blue by the axle? Mr Collett’s tested and approved axleboxes, suitable for express speeds. Edited Wednesday at 17:32 by Harlequin 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted Wednesday at 18:46 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:46 (edited) On 01/10/2024 at 13:35, RaritanFan4 said: I had my mind set on 1930s GWR. I wanted to switch between one of three train sets for passenger Small prairie with B set 14xx with autocoach (usual) 64xx sandwiched with two auto coaches My idea was to operate one of these based out of the terminus and then have another coming from “the junction” to the terminus. These are just thoughts and not based on detailed knowledge of GW branch workings. You can maybe justify having both types of train if the branch had some trains that ran through to or from a city (for commuters perhaps) and some that just ran to the junction to connect with main line trains. They would tend though to be the larger BLTs such as Henley and I'm not sure they wouldn't have been too frequented for auto trains. I note that local engine sheds were quite common at the ends of branches but rare at the junction unless it was a major station in its onw right. There was a whole thread on RMweb on GW autotrains "GWR Autocoach 1930 operations at provincial mainline stations" and the conclusion seemed to be that GW autotrains were more a creature of the suburbs than the sleepy branch line. Their advantage was the faster turnround but that would be less important on a sleepy branch. It might though be important on a short branch connecting a majorish town that had been left off the railway map so needed the branch to connect with a main line not too far away so needing a frequent service to connect with main line trains but not necessarily a heavily loaded one. Cholsey-Wallingford springs immediately to mind and the Wallingford Bunk was an autotrain in the 1930s. I dont think the branch had any through services onto the main line but I'd be happy to be wrong about that. Edited Wednesday at 18:57 by Pacific231G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted Wednesday at 19:14 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:14 Plenty of 64xx auto trains with autocoaches either side of the loco in the South Wales Valleys and some with additional trailers as well, add in non auto fitted locos too which then had to run around autocoaches. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaritanFan4 Posted Wednesday at 20:02 Share Posted Wednesday at 20:02 47 minutes ago, woodenhead said: Plenty of 64xx auto trains with autocoaches either side of the loco in the South Wales Valleys and some with additional trailers as well, add in non auto fitted locos too which then had to run around autocoaches. What do you mean by additional trailers? 3 auto coaches on a train? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted Wednesday at 21:45 Share Posted Wednesday at 21:45 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted Wednesday at 21:48 Share Posted Wednesday at 21:48 1 hour ago, RaritanFan4 said: What do you mean by additional trailers? 3 auto coaches on a train? So an example might be an auto fitted 45xx at Cymmer General as autocoach, brake, 45xx & autocoach. Another might be autocoach, autocoach 45xx (auto fitted) at Bridgend Or autoach, trailer,64xx, autocoach at Porthcawl. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted Thursday at 20:45 RMweb Gold Share Posted Thursday at 20:45 22 hours ago, woodenhead said: Or autoach, trailer,64xx, autocoach at Porthcawl. Presumably a specially fitted trailer with the auto coach equipment run through? Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted Thursday at 22:11 Share Posted Thursday at 22:11 On 01/10/2024 at 13:35, RaritanFan4 said: I had my mind set on 1930s GWR. I wanted to switch between one of three train sets for passenger Small prairie with B set 14xx with autocoach (usual) 64xx sandwiched with two auto coaches My idea was to operate one of these based out of the terminus and then have another coming from “the junction” to the terminus. The Moretonhampstead Branch saw both auto trains hauled by a 14XX and prairies hauling B sets. The Exe Valley Line and the Teign Valley line also saw 14XX auto trains and B sets, but these were both double ended lines. cheers 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted Thursday at 23:25 Share Posted Thursday at 23:25 (edited) Apart from its very active publicity department, I think there's a very simple real reason for the relatively greater popularity of the GWR, including its branch lines. It was the only major company to maintain its identity intact through the grouping. The other big four companies had only been around for twenty five years on nationalisation and hadn't necessarily inherited existing loyalties to their consituent railways or developed quite the same loyalties for themselves . Edited Thursday at 23:35 by Pacific231G 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted Friday at 07:22 RMweb Premium Share Posted Friday at 07:22 9 hours ago, Rivercider said: The Moretonhampstead Branch saw both auto trains hauled by a 14XX and prairies hauling B sets. The Exe Valley Line and the Teign Valley line also saw 14XX auto trains and B sets, but these were both double ended lines. cheers The Teign Valley also saw trains diverted from the seawall at times of pertubance, not hauled by Kings and Castles though, more moguls and the like. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted Friday at 13:56 Share Posted Friday at 13:56 Lots of auto-fitted engines on non-auto trains, and non-auto locos with autotrailers. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted Friday at 13:57 Share Posted Friday at 13:57 6 hours ago, Siberian Snooper said: The Teign Valley also saw trains diverted from the seawall at times of pertubance, not hauled by Kings and Castles though, more moguls and the like. I believe this to be true, but still look forward to seeing some photos, to show what any of the diverted trains looked like on the Teign Valley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mol_PMB Posted Friday at 14:14 RMweb Premium Share Posted Friday at 14:14 15 minutes ago, KeithMacdonald said: I believe this to be true, but still look forward to seeing some photos, to show what any of the diverted trains looked like on the Teign Valley. Given that 100 years ago the photographers and their equipment usually only ventured out on sunny days (for good technical reasons) and that diversions would be most likely on days with very wild weather, you may need to invent a time machine! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnofwessex Posted Friday at 17:30 Share Posted Friday at 17:30 3 hours ago, Mol_PMB said: Given that 100 years ago the photographers and their equipment usually only ventured out on sunny days (for good technical reasons) and that diversions would be most likely on days with very wild weather, you may need to invent a time machine! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted Friday at 21:16 Share Posted Friday at 21:16 7 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: I believe this to be true, but still look forward to seeing some photos, to show what any of the diverted trains looked like on the Teign Valley. I believe there were quite a few ambulance trains run that way during WWII with casualties going to Stover House, understandably they were probably not photographed, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted Friday at 21:27 Share Posted Friday at 21:27 On 02/10/2024 at 19:46, Pacific231G said: Cholsey-Wallingford springs immediately to mind and the Wallingford Bunk was an autotrain in the 1930s. I dont think the branch had any through services onto the main line but I'd be happy to be wrong about that. In the 1930s the last train of the day, the 9:45pm ex-Wallingford, ran through to Reading and returned to the terminus at 11:42pm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted yesterday at 07:20 RMweb Premium Share Posted yesterday at 07:20 17 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: I believe this to be true, but still look forward to seeing some photos, to show what any of the diverted trains looked like on the Teign Valley. I have seen a photo of the Cornish Riviera hauled by a mogul, but I can't remember where, but it was probably a book. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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