LNER-Tom Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) This is my first post on RMweb so please go easy on me As a child I had 6 or 7 LNER locos but as I went through my teen years I lost interested and didn't have time for the hobby, in the last 2 years I have got back into it and have now managed to collect 23 LNER Loco's several coach and wagon rakes to. I have the Hornby 80th Anniversary silver jubilee set and flatly refuse to accept the Hornby LMS attempt at the Silver Jubilee coach's as they are so wrong, but in order to buy a set I would need to remortgage the house. Same goes for the Coronation coach's they are both so expensive. I managed to get a copy of the schematics for both sets and soon realised the old Triang Thompson coach's had similar windows to both sets. This got me thinking, could I make both sets on a budget? CORONATION COACH PROJECT 1. Measure out and mark where you need to cut: 2. Score the coach: 3. Cut the base which slots into the chassis to allow you to break the coach apart: 4. Check to make sure you have all the parts you need and sand the ends down: 5. Glue together: 6. Fill all the joins: 7. Sand down smooth: 8. Paint with primer to highlight any imperfections: 9. Cut the chassis and roof to the correct length, create a new coach end and test fit: 10. Cut the streamlined chassis sides from plasticard and stick in place: 11. Paint & Apply decals: Below is the finished product: 2 down, 6 coach's to go plus the observation car which I have not quite worked out how to make yet SILVER JUBILEE PROJECT I have used the same method to make the Silver Jubilee coach's however I have also added plasticard strips around the windows: The finished product: I am 90% of the way through making the triplet which will leave just one more pair to complete. Edited October 21, 2018 by LNER-Tom 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium AdeMoore Posted October 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2018 Interesting Tom unfortunately your photos are not posting. For the image above I see a page like this below. Yours says thumbs which is where I think you have slipped up along the way. Any hel I can be just shout. Cheers Ade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al. Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Hi Tom. Welcome to the Forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER-Tom Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Hi Ade, I think I have managed to sort it in a fashion I have never been successful in posting photos to forums in the past, think its one of the reasons I have stayed away from them for so long. Thanks for the heads up. Tom Interesting Tom unfortunately your photos are not posting.781B80BA-26BC-4436-A1A5-DAC6B4506140.jpegFor the image above I see a page like this below. Yours says thumbs which is where I think you have slipped up along the way.65D34888-E3D8-448F-A0CB-FB10800B7965.pngAny hel I can be just shout.CheersAde Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium AdeMoore Posted October 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2018 Remiss of me Tom, AI has addressed what I should have. I’m new to really? Welcome Along looks good now we I can see the photos excellent stuff subscribed. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Very ingenious - just the kind of creative approach that I love to read about. Thanks for sharing, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieR4489 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Wow! They look great. I did almost exactly the same thing this year. Jamie 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER-Tom Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 They look really good Jamie, did you do the full rake or just the 4 and the observation car? Wow! They look great. I did almost exactly the same thing this year. P1050417.JPG Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kirk Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Congratulations, looks like a very successful project and an interesting and innovative use of a fairly unlikely source of parts. I know these sets quite well having produced the injection moulds for the (now no longer available) Mailcoach plastic kits in the 1980s. I produced a kit for the observation car but have not seen one of these (even on eBay) for years. One suggestion if you are going to build your own. For a pre production mock up we hand made the end around a section cut from the clear plastic packaging of an Easter egg. Interestingly the "modular" approach you have taken for the sides is similar to what I now use on the O gauge kits that I still make. A couple of O gauge modellers have built similar sets from my Tourist stock or Thompson modules which is slightly easier as the bits come "pre cut up". best wishes, Ian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieR4489 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 They look really good Jamie, did you do the full rake or just the 4 and the observation car? I only did coaches C,D,G,H and the observation car because my layout isn't big enough for a nine car set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER-Tom Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) Thanks Ian, I have spent many hours looking at your coachs. Its such a shame they are no longer available as I think they would still sell well. I like your idea for the curved roof on the observation car, although I can't remember the last time a saw an easter egg with a plastic insert, the world has gone recycling mad Congratulations, looks like a very successful project and an interesting and innovative use of a fairly unlikely source of parts. I know these sets quite well having produced the injection moulds for the (now no longer available) Mailcoach plastic kits in the 1980s. I produced a kit for the observation car but have not seen one of these (even on eBay) for years. One suggestion if you are going to build your own. For a pre production mock up we hand made the end around a section cut from the clear plastic packaging of an Easter egg. Interestingly the "modular" approach you have taken for the sides is similar to what I now use on the O gauge kits that I still make. A couple of O gauge modellers have built similar sets from my Tourist stock or Thompson modules which is slightly easier as the bits come "pre cut up". best wishes, Ian Edited October 21, 2018 by LNER-Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieR4489 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Had you thought about trying to draw the observation car (or at least the tricky bits) up in CAD and then 3D print it? I was considering doing that for the end section of it but I managed to get a mailcoach kit so I used that instead. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER-Tom Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Wouldn't have a clue how to use CAD or a 3D Printer to be honest. I will get the roof shape as close as possible I think and then use filler and sand paper until I am happy with the shape of it Had you thought about trying to draw the observation car (or at least the tricky bits) up in CAD and then 3D print it? I was considering doing that for the end section of it but I managed to get a mailcoach kit so I used that instead. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devo63 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Check in the 3D Printing section of the forum. Simon Dawson (user id: rue-d-etropal) has just designed a 3D scratch aid model / body shell for the observation car. Dave R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER-Tom Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 Thanks for the info Dave, I started making the sides last night, hopefully get them finished tonight and the chassis cut to size. Im going to give the roof a go myself, nothing quite like old fashion filler and sanding to get the shape youre after Check in the 3D Printing section of the forum. Simon Dawson (user id: rue-d-etropal) has just designed a 3D scratch aid model / body shell for the observation car. Dave R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 There's some interesting shots of the real Corornation Observation car rebuild taking place here*. Perhaps tapering slats of plastic might be a way to get the basic curved and tapering roof profile (duly finished off with filler, well rubbed down). * Rolld down, there's several shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2018 This is my first post on RMweb so please go easy on me As a child I had 6 or 7 LNER locos but as I went through my teen years I lost interested and didn't have time for the hobby, in the last 2 years I have got back into it and have now managed to collect 23 LNER Loco's several coach and wagon rakes to. I have the Hornby 80th Anniversary silver jubilee set and flatly refuse to accept the Hornby LMS attempt at the Silver Jubilee coach's as they are so wrong, but in order to buy a set I would need to remortgage the house. Same goes for the Coronation coach's they are both so expensive. I managed to get a copy of the schematics for both sets and soon realised the old Triang Thompson coach's had similar windows to both sets. This got me thinking, could I make both sets on a budget? CORONATION COACH PROJECT 1. Measure out and mark where you need to cut: 20181008_185725563_iOS.jpg 2. Score the coach: 20181008_190303524_iOS.jpg 3. Cut the base which slots into the chassis to allow you to break the coach apart: 20181008_191827461_iOS.jpg 4. Check to make sure you have all the parts you need and sand the ends down: 20181008_192056003_iOS.jpg 5. Glue together: 20181008_192800963_iOS.jpg 6. Fill all the joins: 20181008_194441654_iOS.jpg 7. Sand down smooth: 20181009_191511473_iOS.jpg 8. Paint with primer to highlight any imperfections: 20181009_191805124_iOS.jpg 9. Cut the chassis and roof to the correct length, create a new coach end and test fit: 20181009_205740495_iOS.jpg 10. Cut the streamlined chassis sides from plasticard and stick in place: 20181012_201825445_iOS.jpg 11. Paint & Apply decals: 20181015_185741738_iOS.jpg Below is the finished product: 20181016_152126154_iOS.jpg20181016_152236967_iOS.jpg20181017_083424000_iOS.png 2 down, 6 coach's to go plus the observation car which I have not quite worked out how to make yet SILVER JUBILEE PROJECT I have used the same method to make the Silver Jubilee coach's however I have also added plasticard strips around the windows: 20181017_195749191_iOS.jpg The finished product: 20181016_151931031_iOS.jpg20181016_151949284_iOS.jpg20181016_151949284_iOS.jpg I am 90% of the way through making the triplet which will leave just one more pair to complete. Hi Tom Lovely work. I am now tempted to do a tourist articulated pair. They would be more fitting for my layout. I use the same filing a V where a cut is when I do my conversions of Tri-ang Mk1 in to EMUs and DMUs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER-Tom Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) Bit of an update, a lot of people have questioned how will I do the observation car so thought I would start work on it. Progress is slow but my head is buzzing with ideas and work arounds. Progress update below: Edited October 22, 2018 by LNER-Tom 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER-Tom Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) . Edited October 22, 2018 by LNER-Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atso Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Hi Tom, Great to see you posting here! You're coach conversions look excellent and it looks like you're well on the way to solving the problems of the Observation Car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Great work Tom. Ingenious and inspirational. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER-Tom Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 I'm not 100% happy with the back of the coach at the moment. I think a few more hours work tonight and it should start to look better, hoping to get the basic shape of the curved roof done tonight, if my thumbs can take it, stabbed myself in both of them last night with a scalpel 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER-Tom Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 Coming on nicely, lot more filler required but its a waiting game in between layers 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al. Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I'm not 100% happy with the back of the coach at the moment. I think a few more hours work tonight and it should start to look better, hoping to get the basic shape of the curved roof done tonight, if my thumbs can take it, stabbed myself in both of them last night with a scalpel Keep with it Tom. Getting the back of that coach right is not going to be easy, but what you've achieved so far certainly looks the part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earlswood Nob Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Hi to all modellers An ingenious way of producing the Coronation coaches. Is there enough meat on the Triang Thompson coaches to produce the Coronation First twin?? Perhaps I should get the drawings. Earlswood Nob (A signal box near my youthful residence) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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