RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 6, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, St Enodoc said: Just the usual then. The joint at the back of the loop is a regular offender. Have you found that recently the steel wire is much harder to solder properly? Must have a different coating I suspect. I don't have a lot of trouble with hooks as long as I don't bend them too far in the first place. Yep the steel wire is different.. indeed one batch was non magnetic,,,,, Luckily I have some of the older wire.. it needs a lot more cleaning 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Barry O said: one batch was non magnetic,,,,, Duh! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Supplementary question - do you use dismembered H&Ms as magnets like Mr Edge does? If so, what voltage do you run them at and how much current do they draw? Up to now I've made my own using sewing machine bobbins but given that I've got a lot of surplus H&Ms lying around, having replaced them all by Cobalts, I might try them with the DGs. Of course, if you know of a good home for the H&Ms we can discuss a deal... Edited January 6, 2020 by St Enodoc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 Have you had any of the non magnetic steel wire we had a couple of years ago? That caused a few mysterious problems. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 6, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 I still have quite a few old uncoupling electro magnets.. I just put them on my 16V AC power pack and they seem to work fine Baz 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 13 hours ago, Michael Edge said: Have you had any of the non magnetic steel wire we had a couple of years ago? That caused a few mysterious problems. Not so far Mike - just some very shiny plated steel that is a buqqer to solder. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 If you're using phosphoric acid it shouldn't be a problem for any steel including stainless - however if you are trying to solder it with Fluxite, good luck. I think the non magnetic batch was probably some sort of stainless. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 7, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Michael Edge said: If you're using phosphoric acid it shouldn't be a problem for any steel including stainless - however if you are trying to solder it with Fluxite, good luck. I think the non magnetic batch was probably some sort of stainless. And it was very shiny! I yave just removed some of these droppers as part of my coupling sort out... Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Michael Edge said: If you're using phosphoric acid it shouldn't be a problem for any steel including stainless - however if you are trying to solder it with Fluxite, good luck. I think the non magnetic batch was probably some sort of stainless. 2 hours ago, Barry O said: And it was very shiny! I yave just removed some of these droppers as part of my coupling sort out... Baz Hmm, I don't think I've actually tested some of my more recent builds with magnets! A job for next week Mr O... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2020 On 07/01/2020 at 21:37, St Enodoc said: Hmm, I don't think I've actually tested some of my more recent builds with magnets! A job for next week Mr O... Got home from Melbourne this evening and checked the one-and-a-half coils of DG shiny steel wire that I have in stock. They are . . . . . . . . . . magnetic! Phew. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 9, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2020 strangely enough I checked all of my stock too and have moved the shiny non magnetic wire somewhere safe... and where did I get and fit some 3mm DGs.. Mike has found a few on some of the older wagons Baz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted January 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2020 I checked some of the shiny wire today, it is magnetic but not as strongly attracted as the older dull stuff. This might explain a few problems. Two of the 3mm couplings have gone on the front of your O4s, without a loop they work just as well as the 4mm ones. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted March 28, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2020 Not much progress layout wise. As I am in lockdown and need my baseboard builder/ track laying conspirator to be here can't see a way of progressing for a while. So its back to testing! Baz 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted May 22, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 22, 2020 Well, some work has been done. Uncoupling magnets have been installed and serious stock checking has been undertaken. (which has lead to some repairs/renewals and one condemnation! But the fiddle yard in is now full.. new stock has been put under test DMUS have been stabled (Hornby Calder Valley Class 110, DC Kits Craven Parcels car, Closest road DC Kits Derby Unit (Class 108) -- its going between Liverpool Central and Gateacre(!) then a DC Kits Cravens set (two more need finishing... Busy, busy, busy but we really need to crack on with baseboards and track as soon as it is safe to do so.. Baz 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted May 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 22, 2020 Looking forward to emptying that fiddle yard one day. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted May 23, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 23, 2020 I need to do a lot of carriage roof weathering... Baz 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted May 31, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 While mending and bodging thins attention has turned to the ability of locos to drag a 7 car (maximum) kit built coach rake out of the fiddle yard and up the bank to the main line. Very few of the layouts I help with stockwise (other than Shap) have gradients. Over the years this has lead to a bit of backslider in adding weight to locos. This is now being seen to. I now need more cerrobond/ woods metal as weighting materials ( with a low melting pooint you can pour it into plastic bodied locos). The worst offeners are model loco Black 5s with Portescap motors and gears.. without weight they slip for England. A very old Wills A2 without added weight moves up the hill with no problem. RTR does manage it but it is protesting. A millhome Patriot (Derbyshire Yeomanry) with a high flyer gearbox and a long Chinese motor tackles the task with eaae ... I suppose I could do my own "power classification" but all of the larger engines need to be fit for purpose so its back to the rolled up lead today. Baz 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 45 minutes ago, Barry O said: While mending and bodging thins attention has turned to the ability of locos to drag a 7 car (maximum) kit built coach rake out of the fiddle yard and up the bank to the main line. Very few of the layouts I help with stockwise (other than Shap) have gradients. Over the years this has lead to a bit of backslider in adding weight to locos. This is now being seen to. I now need more cerrobond/ woods metal as weighting materials ( with a low melting pooint you can pour it into plastic bodied locos). The worst offeners are model loco Black 5s with Portescap motors and gears.. without weight they slip for England. A very old Wills A2 without added weight moves up the hill with no problem. RTR does manage it but it is protesting. A millhome Patriot (Derbyshire Yeomanry) with a high flyer gearbox and a long Chinese motor tackles the task with eaae ... I suppose I could do my own "power classification" but all of the larger engines need to be fit for purpose so its back to the rolled up lead today. Baz Magnadhesion... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, St Enodoc said: Magnadhesion... Outdated technology! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, 5BarVT said: Outdated technology! Steel strips on top of the sleepers and neodymium magnets under the loco is a modern version. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted May 31, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 Forget that! It pulls trackpins out.. and picks up droppers... Baz 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Barry O said: It pulls trackpins out Well don't use 'em then! Use glue like the rest of us. 2 minutes ago, Barry O said: picks up droppers That sounds useful. They're a buqqer to find usually. If all you have to do is look under a loco or three I'd take that as a win. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 Good Morning Barry I think there are some alternative solutions to those suggested by the above. 1, Diesel locos 2, Heljan Gloucester parcels cars replacing all the locos, terrific haulage capacity 3, Redesign the layout 4, Banking locos 6, Forget that I came up with some ideas. 7, Take up knitting 1 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted May 31, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 Thanks Clive.. I will stick to adding more weight.. but I do have a fleet of diesels waiting...... Classes 08,17, 20, 23, 24, 25, 31, 37, 40,44,45, 46, 47, 50, 55 are all here and a few DMUs as well.. no where near as many as you have but they can do the job... and my late grandma taught me how to knit(!) Banking engines are available. Baz 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyV Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Hi Baz, Great to see the progress with your layout. My first gradient has an A4 easily moving 5 Bachmann Mk 1's out of the part of the layout I call Rest of the World or London. I have a Hornby B17 which didn't pull the 5 Bachmann Mk 1's at all. I think it could manage 4, but I haven't tested it yet. The gradient is about 1 in 60 by the way. I suppose the next step for me will be to add weight to the B17. Then I thought I should just make it a regional train with a 4 coach limit. Take care. The UK seems to be a scary place to live at the moment. Regards Rodney 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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