jcm@gwr Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 How about trying Shellac? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Good idea. I have sent off for a small bottle. I know it dries very hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 After 2 or 3 days work (interspersed with laying about in a state of near heat-exhaustion for hours at a time and wishing my ice-maker was more efficient) I have come up with these. The fictional sheets are for my own railway system and made of the ordinary fine mat cartridge paper I mentioned before. The three pre-group sheets are from the David Smith range which really bulks-up too much and goes all weird and fibrous when you crumple it. I think its just too heavy and stiff a paper to make convincing wagon sheets in the smaller scales. It would probably work well in 7mm scale.All these are removable with a variety of weights and balsa support blocks beneath. Dry brushing with various light greys helps I think - before that the sheets were too dull and monotone and the creases were not obvious enough. My bottle of Shellac should arrive tomorrow and I'll paint it around the insides using a couple of coats to see how that improves the paper's durability. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted August 12, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2018 Look great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Certainly getting very close Photos 1,2,3 & 6 are the best (in my opinion). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Cheers, appreciate the feedback. I got hold of some very fine stiff cardstock today so will see how sheets made of folded card work out. I expect to have to score it almost through with the back of a scalpel blade or similar. Trick is not to cut too far. Watch this space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 A big thumbs up for the Shellac, I painted a coat over the entire inside of the sheet and it has hardened the paper considerably making the paper wagon sheets a much more viable prospect, and as a bonus, making them easier to fit over the wagons. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 No comments needed for this I think, should all be self-explanatory, the only tricky bit was getting the paint to adhere to the foil. Pre-coating it with Testors Dulcote fixed that. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted March 2, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2019 I gave up on the tarps and I’m close to giving up on everything else too at the moment to be honest 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted March 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Martin S-C said: No comments needed for this I think, should all be self-explanatory, the only tricky bit was getting the paint to adhere to the foil. Pre-coating it with Testors Dulcote fixed that. That looks great Martin. How was the weathering done, a black wash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) Yes, Mikkel, in fact a mix of black and sepia watered down. Then dry-brushing with the same brown/grey tone as the sheet but lightened with some white. I've tried to suggest an agricultural sheet belonging to the ploughing engine owners, rather than a railway company one. I wanted a bit of variation. The problem with the foil is it comes out too crumpled. Looking at photos of real sheeted loads the sheets tend to be mostly taut and you can't get that effect with foil without great risk of tearing it. I made up the empty Lowmac so that I can swap the wagons over for when a ploughing engine is delivered or collected from a yard. Chuffinghell - I am sorry to hear about that. I have had a pretty low mood over winter since cutting my thumb but the recent warm weather has inspired me to gird my loins and press on. I've suffered depression before and find that sitting and staring at a wall doesn't help. This time after a protracted period of feeling sorry for myself I made myself get up again and push on. I hope you too get over your present problems, whatever they are. Edited March 2, 2019 by Martin S-C 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted March 7, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) On 02/03/2019 at 18:53, Martin S-C said: Chuffinghell - I am sorry to hear about that. I’m feeling a little better now, so much so I’ve even attempted to make a tarp for my Collett Goods I cut a rectangular strip out of a Hornby decoder sleeve, superglued on a brass rod, rolled it up tightly over the brass rod using more superglue then once I’d unstuck my fingers bent down the rolled ends and glued on a couple of thinly cut strips at the bends to represent ties/straps a quick spray of grey bumper paint before gluing in place Edited March 7, 2019 by chuffinghell 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) I've noted that loco cab weather sheets tended to be a bit scruffy and saggy. I haven't had a go yet myself but would probably try something like crumpled tissue. Edited March 7, 2019 by Martin S-C 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted March 7, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Hopefully it’ll look better and less ‘new’ looking once it’s weathered maybe? The loco definitely looks much better with the etched number plates though Edited March 7, 2019 by chuffinghell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted March 7, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2019 28 minutes ago, Martin S-C said: I've noted that loco cab weather sheets tended to be a bit scruffy and saggy. I haven't had a go yet myself but would probably try something like crumpled tissue. Great photo! If anyone asks it’s a brand new tarp on the Collett I was going to attempt something like this....but I decided I wasn’t brave enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Are the number plates additions? They look superb, I'd never have guessed. EDIT: Problem with deployed weather sheets is they attach to stays on the tender so you have to deal with how the tender & loco respond to curves. That's a big problem. On top of that you can't see your nicely painted crew and any backhead detail . Rolled up weather sheets are the better choice IMHO. Edited March 7, 2019 by Martin S-C 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted March 7, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Martin S-C said: Are the number plates additions? They look superb, I'd never have guessed. Yeah, they’re from modelmasters. Same number and being ever so slightly bigger I’ve managed to get away with just glued them on over the printed plates These are the printed plates.... Compared to the etched..... Edited March 8, 2019 by chuffinghell 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted March 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2019 The number plate change is very subtle but worth it IMO After a good nights sleep I’m not sure about the tarp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 8, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8, 2019 56 minutes ago, chuffinghell said: After a good nights sleep I’m not sure about the tarp Might I repectfully suggest that the first requirement is to thin the underside of the cab roof edge, so that it appears to be thinnish metal sheet and not a slab of battleship armor? Also, if you can get hold of a black balloon, it could be cut and rolled to resemble a tarpaulin, and will sag naturally between straps. The more adventurous might even achieve an in-use cab sheet using balloon rubber. Regards, John Isherwood. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted March 8, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) I like that cab roof tarp, chuff, something not often seen modelled. John's suggestions would enhance it further. I'd also suggest looking beyond the lineside fence - military modellers have been doing tarps better for years. Traditionally, a lot of the AFV modelling folk used very thin lead foil sheet to do tarps, both rolled/folded or deployed over a load or vehicle. It's stiff enoigh to hold shape, pretty robust, easily worked and adds weight to light wagons! A cheap(ish) source is the wrap around the cork on fizzy plonk, but it is (was?) also available through the wider modelling trade in sheets up to about A5 size. Of course, take the necessary precautions when working with lead. Other common options are Parafilm (available from pharmacies/medical suppliers), thinly rolled milliput/squadron putty, ali foil, and pva-soaked tissue paper. Plenty of good references/vids out there on the net. Edited March 8, 2019 by CloggyDog 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted March 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2019 Thanks for all the suggestions I’ve removed it for now while I look at other methods including those that have been suggested Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted March 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2019 5 hours ago, cctransuk said: ......so that it appears to be thinnish metal sheet and not a slab of battleship armor? I’ve not smiled for a while but that comment really made me chuckle Thanks John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 GW Collett Goods locos were tough old beasts. You could sink a ship with them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted March 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, CloggyDog said: I like that cab roof tarp, chuff, something not often seen modelled. John's suggestions would enhance it further. I'd also suggest looking beyond the lineside fence - military modellers have been doing tarps better for years. Traditionally, a lot of the AFV modelling folk used very thin lead foil sheet to do tarps, both rolled/folded or deployed over a load or vehicle. It's stiff enoigh to hold shape, pretty robust, easily worked and adds weight to light wagons! A cheap(ish) source is the wrap around the cork on fizzy plonk, but it is (was?) also available through the wider modelling trade in sheets up to about A5 size. Of course, take the necessary precautions when working with lead. Other common options are Parafilm (available from pharmacies/medical suppliers), thinly rolled milliput/squadron putty, ali foil, and pva-soaked tissue paper. Plenty of good references/vids out there on the net. Hopefully I’ve inspired someone more talented than myself to attempt to do something much better, although I’m going to have a look at both John’s balloon idea and your thin lead sheet suggestion Edited March 8, 2019 by chuffinghell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted November 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2022 This thread was a really useful resource, alas all the photos were lost… does anyone have some good photos of models fitted with wagon sheets for inspiration? I have a Parkside LNER fitted 5 plank that I am planning to add a Smiths sheet to and looking for inspiration. (I’d also welcome feedback as to whether a sheet in the late 40s would still have the large LNE branding / numbers or would more likely just be overall dirty grey) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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