Martin S-C Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Regularity said: It’ll all be over by then... I bluddy well hope so! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Martin S-C said: I bluddy well hope so! I didn’t say which Christmas, but I believe the one in question was in 1914... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 Its not going to be done by over 100 years ago, no. Not even I can work that fast. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 The Duke of Wellington is famously quoted on the evening of his victory of Waterloo as saying: "There is nothing so melancholy as a battle lost, as a model railway that lacks sufficient coal wagons." 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2021 Or as Napoleon didn't say, un chemin de fer miniature circule sur ses wagons de minéraux. (Also not said by Frederick the Great and certainly not by Claudius Galen.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2021 "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a layout in possession of a good track layout, must be in want of coal wagons." - Jayne Austin-Morris 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Martin S-C said: The Duke of Wellington is famously quoted on the evening of his victory of Waterloo as saying: That quotation can't be right, because Waterloo has only ever been a passenger station; it has never had a coal yard. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: That quotation can't be right, because Waterloo has only ever been a passenger station; it has never had a coal yard. No, but it did have a coal fired power station, an M7 famously came to grief there after falling down the goods lift to the W&C... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: That quotation can't be right, because Waterloo has only ever been a passenger station; it has never had a coal yard. He was thinking of Aberdeen Waterloo goods station, from which sea coal was distributed throughout NE Scotland. Edited May 20, 2021 by Compound2632 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: He was thinking of Aberdeen Waterloo goods station, from which sea coal was distributed throughout NE Scotland. ...and I forget what famous victory he scored had there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, Nick C said: No, but it did have a coal fired power station, an M7 famously came to grief there after falling down the goods lift to the W&C... It did, I've been in where it isn't any more many times, and helped oversee a project to convert it into a substation, and, many years before, participated in the operation of the Armstrong Lift. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 12 hours ago, Nearholmer said: participated in the operation of the Armstrong Lift. Was that the cab ride arranged for George William Lord Armstrong, on his return journey to Cragside? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 If only. One of the sins that I feel the need to work-off is my failure to have visited Cragside, it being a sort of votive site for people who are interested in the history of electrical engineering. Mind you, when I last checked, the NT were busily changing the emphasis of the "offering" at Cragside, gently away from the history of technology (which, TBH, they still seem to have a cultural hang-up about), in the direction of art (which, TBH, I still seem to have a cultural hang-up about). Anyway, covid will presumably back-off far enough at some point to make a trip feasible. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2021 51 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: One of the sins that I feel the need to work-off is my failure to have visited Cragside, it being a sort of votive site for people who are interested in the history of electrical engineering. Mind you, when I last checked, the NT were busily changing the emphasis of the "offering" at Cragside, gently away from the history of technology (which, TBH, they still seem to have a cultural hang-up about), in the direction of art (which, TBH, I still seem to have a cultural hang-up about). It was the grounds I enjoyed most! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 It was the interiors I enjoyed most. I'm a sucker for a good dose of the Gothic with lashings of dark wood panelling thrown in. It really is a splendid place. Its been a couple of decades since I went but there was a goodly amount of signage and notice boards about the technology there back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) End door hinges, hinge guides and strengtheners replaced, some interior ironwork added and painted, interiors painted and weathered. Now just the exteriors to do. Trying some variations of interior wood colour on these as well, e.g. very grey top left and yellowish/newish bottom right. Edited May 23, 2021 by Martin S-C 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) Finished. Just a very simple quick job on these with most being fairly clean or with light wear. Edited May 24, 2021 by Martin S-C 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 I have to say that it's the first time I've seen a wagon for a 'Hay & Coal Merchant'! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 One presumes the hay wasn't carried by rail! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted May 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 24, 2021 33 minutes ago, Caley Jim said: I have to say that it's the first time I've seen a wagon for a 'Hay & Coal Merchant'! Jim I was thinking the same thing Jim. 26 minutes ago, Martin S-C said: One presumes the hay wasn't carried by rail! I know it was done on the GER. Pile it all up to the limit of the loading gauge and cover it up with three or so well tied down tarpaulins/wagon sheets. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 The GWR had provender wagons as well all despatched from their centralised horse feed depot at Didcot. But that was because they were a huge company with all manner of centralisation. I don't see much use for such wagons by a private owner since horse feed can be grown almost anywhere and is cheap to transport locally. My guess is the mention of hay on the wagon is just a bit of canny advertising to show what other goods the company can supply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Caley Jim said: I have to say that it's the first time I've seen a wagon for a 'Hay & Coal Merchant'! Jim In Keith Montague's Gloucester book: Coal & Forage Contractor Timber, Coal, Culm, Lime and General Merchants Coal & Corn Merchant Hay, Chaff & Coal Merchant Coal, Corn & Lime Merchants Coal, Lime & Manure Merchant ... so not that unusual for a coal merchant to have portfolio of commodities he traded in advertised on his wagon, though non-minerals are rarer than the common Coal & Lime. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted May 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 24, 2021 Most of the GER's goods traffic was agricultural produce Martin so hay was a regular traffic. I did used to have some photos somewhere of wagons loaded with hay being unloaded at a rural location in GER territory, but I can't find them now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 24, 2021 I should have added my belief that although merchants may have advertised all their activities on the sides of their wagons, the wagons themselves were for the conveyance of coal and coke, or lime if they had specialized lime wagons. Hay would have been conveyed in railway company wagons - as I anticipate @Annie's GE photos would demonstrate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 49 minutes ago, Annie said: I know it was done on the GER. Pile it all up to the limit of the loading gauge and cover it up with three or so well tied down tarpaulins/wagon sheets. Done on many companies which had a large amount of agricultural traffic. Not all farmers were able to grow enough hay to provide sufficient winter feed for their livestock. It's still the case that hay (and straw) are carried round the country. There also was (and is) the need for hay and straw for feeding/bedding horses. Jim 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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