MrWolf Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Sorted. Get the glue out, quick! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Also, I hate to say it, but @Schooner’s rearrangement of your yard does open the yard up more. The long coal siding on the opposite side to the goods shed reminds me of Grassington on the YDR and Hindlow on the LNWR - I’m not up on GWR arrangements I’m afraid… 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I think it's a pretty standard thing - stations need a 'specials' siding for shed etc, and a long one for turning around and storing opens. In a way it's much easier revising an existing layout - I just stuck the required infrastructure in the available space! Just having a quick look at those changes again...it's not very orthodox, but I think it is what I would go for in that space. No need for the short Y btw, the medium fits just fine and gives a much smoother curve into the shed road. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) Some, even relatively small stations had a coal only siding, which only held one or two wagons. An example of this was Glenfield on the Leicester & Swannington Railway. Only picture I could find was after closure. It reminds me of Chris's original drawing is all. Edited June 20, 2021 by MrWolf 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 13 hours ago, chuffinghell said: Is that better? I’m thinking that coal is very sparkly Coal is, looks good as it is to me. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 21, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, MrWolf said: Sorted. Get the glue out, quick! Am I correct in assuming these types of coal staithes would not have a base and that the coal would just be dumped on the floor? I'm only asking because it might be better to put the coal staithes in place, ash ballast the yard (inc. inside the staithes) and put the coal in afterwards on top of the ash ballast? Or would these staithes have a wooden, paved or concrete base? Edited June 21, 2021 by chuffinghell 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 I was thinking that too. You might want to use a paved or cobbled area to keep the coal from getting mixed with the bare earth, but this would be at ground level and not necessarily with a step up. Buuuuuuut, you might just want to lose the base and put the coal directly on the ground. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 21, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Stubby47 said: I was thinking that too. You might want to use a paved or cobbled area to keep the coal from getting mixed with the bare earth, but this would be at ground level and not necessarily with a step up. Buuuuuuut, you might just want to lose the base and put the coal directly on the ground. I'm a plonker! it wasn't until afterwards I thought about it I like the idea of cobbles, I could just ballast upto it so the levels would be flush (ish) Thanks Stu The 'step' on the building is roughly the thickness of ballast so it would become a stone slab and ballasted around it (if that makes sence) PS I will probably end up doing a Frank Sinatra with the position on the layout Edited June 21, 2021 by chuffinghell 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 18/06/2021 at 11:13, chuffinghell said: Probably, I just liked the idea of another little building Originally I was going to put the coal merchants next to the weighbridge hut but it was mentioned that it had to be close to a siding I had also considered replacing the Y point and making sure there was vehicle access behind the goods shed, possible but a pain in the **** to take up the Y point Or maybe use it as a stand alone office for the goods shed? I like the straight spur here better than the Y point version, the latter just gives dead space between the tracks. Can you remind us what the track work is like to the left of the 2nd pic? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 21, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, 57xx said: I like the straight spur here better than the Y point version, the latter just gives dead space between the tracks. Can you remind us what the track work is like to the left of the 2nd pic? I just thought the straight spur looked too much like a train set (if that makes sense) 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Not totally dissimilar to Chalford, Gloucestershire (GWR), which may help provide inspiration for building placement. Home to coal merchant James Smart, who had his own narrow boats, wide barges and railway wagons: 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 I've had an interesting time trying to find pictures of actual locations and they are usually only visible as part of another picture. Here's what I have found so far, hopefully it is of some use. Most of these pictures were taken in the fifties and I have deliberately left the locations off because I am more interested in the look of the yard and buildings rather than prototype fidelity. I've also added this piece of map that actually shows coal staithes, simply because it is reminiscent of what you have planned for Warren. 7 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, MrWolf said: That's a cracker - some lovely period details, and excellent ground texture. Shame about the settrack geometry. Dead giveaway... 11 minutes ago, MrWolf said: One of my top Would Like to Model locations 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 22, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) On 20/06/2021 at 23:25, Schooner said: Just having a quick look at those changes again...it's not very orthodox, but I think it is what I would go for in that space. No need for the short Y btw, the medium fits just fine and gives a much smoother curve into the shed road. The only issue is that I don't really want to take up points/track that have already been wired, weathered, glued in place and point rodding attached Edited June 22, 2021 by chuffinghell 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 I'd leave the points alone too. The space between the running line and the siding could be a storage area for line-gang equipment. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 22, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Stubby47 said: I'd leave the points alone too. The space between the running line and the siding could be a storage area for line-gang equipment. That makes sense as I had intended for that siding to have the crane, ballast wagon and PW brake etc Edited June 22, 2021 by chuffinghell 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) Suggestion: No turnouts need to be lifted but some groundworks are needed to extend the yard area forward a bit - and you can say that's exactly what happened in the real world! Edited April 11, 2022 by Harlequin 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 That's lovely collection of shabby huts and buildings @MrWolf all different styles and building materials. I may pinch some of those for my coal yard. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 hour ago, chuffinghell said: The only issue is that I don't really want to take up points/track that have already been wired, weathered, glued in place and point rodding attached Quite right too...but do you have to? The main change was to put a large curved point onto the Y at the RH of the loop; the long siding comes straight off the RH point in the loop. So I hoped you could leave the weathered track in place. Still feel free to ignore, obviously! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 What a shame you don't need space for a Land Rover. You might need to leave room for a tractor, though. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 22, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mick Bonwick said: What a shame you don't need space for a Land Rover. You might need to leave room for a tractor, though. Plenty of room for Land Rovers now 1 6 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gedward Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, chuffinghell said: Plenty of room for Land Rovers now I just knew you'd come to your senses in the end. 1 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 22, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 I think it might be better to stick to the original plan and pop the coal merchants office and staithes in the bin because that's where all the trouble started Its a shame because I like how they've turned out but its causing far too much grief than it's worth 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gedward Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, chuffinghell said: Plenty of room for Land Rovers now He's a maniac, maniac on the floor And he's designing like he's never designed before 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, chuffinghell said: I think it might be better to stick to the original plan and pop the coal merchants office and staithes in the bin because that's where all the trouble started Its a shame because I like how they've turned out but its causing far too much grief than it's worth NO !! Rule 1 applies - put them where you want and ignore everyone else. 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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