Popular Post Andy Y Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 Heljan UNVEILS ‘OO’ GAUGE 25/3 AND ‘ETHEL’ FOR 2019 All-new Derby/Sulzer Type 2 in ‘OO’ to follow the ‘O’ gauge version. Ten versions in development – PLUS first-ever ready-to-haul (RTH) ‘OO’ models of ETHEL train heating units! Development work is well advanced on Heljan’s latest ‘OO’ gauge BR diesel locomotive project – the popular Derby/Sulzer Type 2 in its final Class 25/3 guise. The model will benefit from the research and development that has gone into our forthcoming ‘O’ gauge ‘25/3’ (due for release later this year) and is expected to make rapid progress towards a first release in 2019. No fewer than TEN versions have been selected, covering a broad cross-section of BR green, BR blue and special liveries and offering a choice of London Midland, Scottish and Western Region prototypes from the mid-1960s to the late-1980s. The model represents the final development of the 478 Derby/Sulzer Type 2s, which started with Class 24 in the late-1950s. Our model will cover the D5238-99 and D7500-D7677 batches, built by Derby Works and Beyer, Peacock of Manchester between December 1963 and April 1967. For the first time, models will also be offered as the famous Scottish Region ‘ETHEL’ (Electric Train Heating Ex-Locomotive) train heating units converted from Class 25/3s as a short-term solution prior to the delivery of Class 37/4s in 1985. These machines later found work with InterCity’s Charter Unit, lasting into the 1990s. The new Heljan Class 25/3 will feature our renowned high-performance chassis with all-wheel drive and all-wheel pick-up, illuminated headcode panels and marker lights, a 21-pin DCC decoder interface and provision for DCC sound. All the above information about this project is subject to change, but more details about the specification and pricing will be announced as the project develops. Look out for updates on the Heljan Facebook page and in the model railway press. Heljan CLASS 25/3 MODELS 2530 – BR two-tone green D7645 with small yellow panels 2531 – BR two-tone green D5244 with small yellow panels - WEATHERED 2532 – BR two-tone green D7550 with full yellow ends and BR blue data panel 2533 – BR early blue D7661 with small yellow panels 2534 – BR rail blue D7667 with full yellow ends (twin double arrows – 1,000th loco built at Derby Works) 2535 – BR rail blue 25252 (LMR) with full yellow ends (single, central double arrows) and headcode panel still in place 2536 – BR rail blue 25155 (WR) with full yellow ends (single, central double arrows) and headcode panel still in place- WEATHERED 2537 – BR Rail Blue 25093 (ScR/LMR) with bodyside numbers (single, centrally placed double arrows) and ‘domino’ headcodes 2538 – BR 25912 Tamworth Castle ‘Ice Cream Van’ livery with silver roof 2539 – BR Special two-tone green D7672 Tamworth Castle 2540 – BR blue/grey ETHEL1 ADB97250 2541 – InterCity ETHEL3 ADB97252 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share Posted July 6, 2018 Bump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) Good choice. Edited July 6, 2018 by Andrew P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Now thats a surprise ........to me at least. Very nice. Falls into my recent yearnings for grotty rail blue stuff and rusty 16 tonners 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) Get IN!!!! Looks like my sizeable stud of Danish Bo-Bos is about to grow by a few more % ...just when I thought that was it! I will happily replace my small Bachmann stud of these to reflect the modest presence of the type on Waverley route metals. A route to recreating this scene featuring D5233 would be wonderful! http://www.langholmpicturearchive.com/album/2998.jpg Edited July 6, 2018 by 'CHARD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2018 Corrrr Ethel! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted July 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2018 Can Heljan confirm whether the Ethel's will be non-motorised so we don't have to pay loco prices for what is essentially a wagon (a la Bachmann!). Overall great news, will have Ethels and a Tamworth. Anyone want old Hornby 25's that I was going to convert! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_R Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Think I will reserve judgment until they appear in the flesh or the SLW 25 arrives......... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2018 Can Heljan confirm whether the Ethel's will be non-motorised so we don't have to pay loco prices for what is essentially a wagon (a la Bachmann!). Overall great news, will have Ethels and a Tamworth. Anyone want old Hornby 25's that I was going to convert! To be fair they only remove the motor and gears so it's not going to be much less! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) Can Heljan confirm whether the Ethel's will be non-motorised so we don't have to pay loco prices for what is essentially a wagon (a la Bachmann!). Overall great news, will have Ethels and a Tamworth. Anyone want old Hornby 25's that I was going to convert! Edited July 6, 2018 by brian daniels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2018 Can Heljan confirm whether the Ethel's will be non-motorised so we don't have to pay loco prices for what is essentially a wagon (a la Bachmann!). Overall great news, will have Ethels and a Tamworth. Anyone want old Hornby 25's that I was going to convert! Essentially the cost difference between a powered 25/3 and unpowered ETHEL *should only* be a motor and gears (so relatively a small amount in the total cost). I would expect pickups and a circuit board so sound can be fitted. Cheers, Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 ETHELS are indeed un powered. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Nothing for me - meh...... Well someone has to say it. Nice set of rats. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 I would much rather have had a Heljan Class 120 DMU. I'm happy enough with my Bachmann Class 25/3s and won't be parting with any cash for the Heljan variety. I can't help thinking that manufacturers are mining a rapidly thinning seam of BR diesels. Now we have Bachmann, Heljan and SLW all competing to sell us varieties of the same basic loco. Maybe Hornby should revive their old Class 25 into the Railroad range just for the sake of completeness? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Mac Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) This is like waiting for the bus..... You wait around and nothing happens, then you get potentially 3 brand new models all Turning up at the same time.... Helijan 25/3, Bachmann 25/1&2 and the still possible SLW class 25...... Last time we had such competion, I think was with the 37’s, Bachmann, Hornby and Vi Trains and with the 47’s, again Bachmann, Hornby, vi trains and Helijan..... I doubt the market is big enough for potentially 3 high end models.... Edited July 6, 2018 by Andy Mac 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 About time they got on with the Wickham DRB that was proised when the other 00 DRBs were announced. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted July 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2018 Nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jamiel Posted July 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) Considering Heljan have the Class 25/3 being released in O Gauge, this is not a surprise.They have the research in place, and the CAD work can be scaled and then reworked for the details that become too small to be viable on an OO gauge model.We have seen this a lot with N Gauge Farish and OO Gauge Bachmann releases in recent years, the Blue Pullman, LMS Inspection Saloon to name a couple. There has been a lot of criticism of the cab shape of the Bachmann model, and the underfame is poor too. The SLW model is quite a bit more expensive so there is probably a hole in the market for this. I wouldn’t be surprised if in a few months we get an announcement of an OO Gauge Class 50 from Heljan as well from their reserach into the O gauge release.Jamie Edited July 6, 2018 by Jamiel 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37403 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Is there any indication of RRP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted July 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2018 Interesting . Heljan choosing to bring out a model that's already a mainstream release. You could argue they did that with the 47 and 52, but at the time of introduction the existing models were Hornby and Lima and the Heljan models brought a new level of detail with them. Not so sure about this one , as I thought the Bachmann one was a pretty decent effort. So it seems a shame its a duplication . That said they are bringing out lots of livery options in one go, which Bachmann don't do and of course an Ethel . And I'm sure they are capitalising on the design work being carried out on the O one, so perhaps this is a low risk venture Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted July 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2018 Is there any indication of RRP? Rails website just says TBA so not yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted July 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2018 Interesting . Heljan choosing to bring out a model that's already a mainstream release. You could argue they did that with the 47 and 52, but at the time of introduction the existing models were Hornby and Lima and the Heljan models brought a new level of detail with them. Not so sure about this one , as I thought the Bachmann one was a pretty decent effort. So it seems a shame its a duplication . That said they are bringing out lots of livery options in one go, which Bachmann don't do and of course an Ethel . And I'm sure they are capitalising on the design work being carried out on the O one, so perhaps this is a low risk venture It has parallels with Hattons 66, other than Heljan leveraging existing design work (Hattons O gauge 66?). I think we may well see more of this as the market gets more crowded with manufacturers/commissioners. Offering lots of liveries at once is probably part of this process of shutting down potential competition. Good for us as more choice but things may toughen up for manufacturers. I also hope that this leads to less of the 'buy it now or else pay a fortune on Ebay later' approach to releases that has become the norm. With lots of liveries for say the 25's and Hatton's 66's we may have more time to buy things. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Looking at the CAD, they appear to have at least got the cab side taper, missing off the Bachmann model (which results in the face/cab roof being wrong). Also, looks like the curve across the cab front is there. Will be interesting to see the final version when released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Griffin Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) ETHEL is on my list. Intercity one for me Edited July 6, 2018 by Dan Griffin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted July 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2018 Essentially the cost difference between a powered 25/3 and unpowered ETHEL *should only* be a motor and gears (so relatively a small amount in the total cost). I would expect pickups and a circuit board so sound can be fitted. Cheers, Mick I'm not sure that is the case. Dapol's dummy locos and DMU's are a lot cheaper than the powered versions - it is not just the parts but the time taken to assemble those parts into a functioning drive train, which is quite fiddly. The dummies are less than half the price of the powered versions. https://www.Dapol.co.uk/shop/n-gauge/dmu/class-121 This pricing differential is also replicated at well known retailers, so perhaps other manufacturers have sought to maximise profits but pretending they are not much cheaper to produce? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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