hmrspaul Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) David Larkin has published pictures showing the experimental suspensions trialled on the Cemflo post Thirsk. P http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/cemflo/ee0c9323 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/cemflo/e3a9129a Paul Incidentally the report mentions the first derailed wagon at Thirsk was LA233, as these wagons appear to have been TOPS numbered in order of their LA original number this one, APCM8533 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/cemflo/e58092060 was repaired and returned to traffic. Edited July 18, 2018 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) There's video of WCML cemflos before 1966 but I can't find the links. Carriage rates was published in this booklet for 1966. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/107721-cemflos-cliffe-uddingston-flow-silver-queens/page-3&do=findComment&comment=2191017 P Were the ones used on the Widnes route LMR circa 64 built by Metro - Cammell. Edited July 18, 2018 by paul 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted July 18, 2018 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted July 18, 2018 Were the ones used on the Widnes route LMR circa 64 built by Metro - Cammell. Yes, Metro-Camm ones will have been used on this route from 63. All of the cemflos used in this pic are Metro Camm D223 at Alvecote by Steve Jones, on Flickr 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 There have been queries about these wagons being seen singly: I have seen several views of the Up sidings, south of Stafford station, with a solitary example seemingly abandoned there. I think it was on a now-disappeared Fotopic site. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted July 18, 2018 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Tooling on our forthcoming cemflo continues in China and we are hoping to have something to show you very soon. In the meantime, here's a closer look at the CAD. We have done a count of the parts and found that there are a total of 87 in each model, which is even more than our HUO! Edited July 18, 2018 by 071 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 There have been queries about these wagons being seen singly: I have seen several views of the Up sidings, south of Stafford station, with a solitary example seemingly abandoned there. I think it was on a now-disappeared Fotopic site. It was in DaveF's marathon photo topic, and the shots can be found here. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/85326-dave-fs-photos-ongoing-more-added-18th-july/?p=2730746 Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Tooling on our forthcoming cemflo continues in China and we are hoping to have something to show you very soon. In the meantime, here's a closer look at the CAD. We have done a count of the parts and found that there are a total of 87 in each model, which is even more than our HUO! cemflo_1.png cemflo_2.png Top image as delivered, 2nd image as crashed ? Got to admit the under detail looks good, it has to be as a modeller needs to have these diaroramed upside down, as much as right way up ;-) Edited July 18, 2018 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) With all these individual component, it would not be too big a job to convert one of these to a Gloucester vehicle. The only significant fabrication job would be to make the bottom discharge equipment. Most other change parts could be sourced through the likes of Wizard. With tongue firmly in cheek, would it be possible to supply a few of these with a minimal amount of adhesive so that they can be easily dismantled? Edited July 18, 2018 by RBAGE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted July 18, 2018 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted July 18, 2018 With all these individual component, it would not be too big a job to convert one of these to a Gloucester vehicle. The only significant fabrication job would be to make the bottom discharge equipment. Most other change parts could be sourced through the likes of Wizard. With tongue firmly in cheek, would it be possible to supply a few of these with a minimal amount of adhesive so that they can be easily dismantled? We went to extreme lengths to see if we could do both the Gloucester as well as the metro camm, but the different discharge systems, brakes, solebar setails, axlebox and W irons mean it’s a whole new wagon. I do look forward to seeing modellers bashing them into something new though, at least you’ll have a fantastic starting point that the old triang model! Sadly our Chinese friends use the best glue in the business, but I have a crowbar and sledge that I can borrow from our customer complaints department if needs be! Cheers, Fran 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) There have been queries about these wagons being seen singly: I have seen several views of the Up sidings, south of Stafford station, with a solitary example seemingly abandoned there. I think it was on a now-disappeared Fotopic site. If you read the Thirsk accident report two wagons were cut out at Peterborough and another at Doncaster as unfit to proceed. It reads as if the Wagon inspectors expected to find problems with these wagons, so singles could be worked anywhere on their usual routes. Paul Edited July 18, 2018 by hmrspaul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Yes, Metro-Camm ones will have been used on this route from 63. All of the cemflos used in this pic are Metro Camm D223 at Alvecote by Steve Jones, on Flickr How many were used on this route to Widnes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2018 How many were used on this route to Widnes. You could always count the ones in the picture? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 D223 at Alvecote by Steve Jones, on Flickr Now there's a nice idea for a train pack - a class 40, two brake vans and maybe 8-10 cemflo's...... a lot better than a blue pullman for instance or yet another celebrity kettle and mark 1's. So all that leaves you to do is the brake van and the 40........... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted July 21, 2018 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted July 21, 2018 How many were used on this route to Widnes. I’d say there’s at least a rake bundle in there! Lol In all seriousness there looks to be well over 20 in that picture? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Now there's a nice idea for a train pack - a class 40, two brake vans and maybe 8-10 cemflo's...... a lot better than a blue pullman for instance or yet another celebrity kettle and mark 1's. So all that leaves you to do is the brake van and the 40........... Well, I understand there's a 40 on the way so we're half way there. If not, it'll be underpants for Christmas again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) You could always count the ones in the picture? Mike. Obviously not, got to 15 then there on a curve looks to be over 20 though but may be not as many as used on the east coast route. Edited July 21, 2018 by paul 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2018 Obviously not, got to 15 then there on a curve looks to be over 20 though but may be not as many as used on the east coast route. Honestly?? MIke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted July 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2018 Obviously not, got to 15 then there on a curve looks to be over 20 though but may be not as many as used on the east coast route. Well - I can just make out what I take to be the brakevan at the end of the train. On that basis, I'd say that twenty CEMFLOs in that rake is as close as we'll get. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Patrick Posted July 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Obviously not, got to 15 then there on a curve looks to be over 20 though but may be not as many as used on the east coast route. Hi Paul, Here's another photo of a cement flow bound for Widnes, albeit almost two decades later and originating from the Hope Valley rather than Kent. The photographer's caption states a total of 27 wagons: 40024 (LO). 6H33 1201 Widnes (Carterhouse Jn) to Earles cement empties at Arpley Jn (Warrington) on 260483 by Michael Hart, on Flickr This particular rake also included Presflos, but block trains comprised solely of Cemflos would have contained a similar number of wagons. I would say anywhere from 25-30 wagons would have been normal. Hope that helps! Patrick Edited July 21, 2018 by Patrick 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Well - I can just make out what I take to be the brakevan at the end of the train. On that basis, I'd say that twenty CEMFLOs in that rake is as close as we'll get. Regards, John Isherwood. I will go with that, nice picture at Arpley thanks for all the constructive answers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 22, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2018 Hi Paul,Here's another photo of a cement flow bound for Widnes, albeit almost two decades later and originating from the Hope Valley rather than Kent. The photographer's caption states a total of 27 wagons:40024 (LO). 6H33 1201 Widnes (Carterhouse Jn) to Earles cement empties at Arpley Jn (Warrington) on 260483 by Michael Hart, on FlickrThis particular rake also included Presflos, but block trains comprised solely of Cemflos would have contained a similar number of wagons. I would say anywhere from 25-30 wagons would have been normal. Hope that helps! :)Patrick Now your torturing us. I’m going to order, but waiting on the EP, but it’s painful seeing images like this and holding out to order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurascale staff Accurascale Fran Posted July 22, 2018 Author Accurascale staff Share Posted July 22, 2018 Now your torturing us. I’m going to order, but waiting on the EP, but it’s painful seeing images like this and holding out to order. We will have one in a couple of weeks, but we will continue to tempt you all with images like the above in the meantime. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted July 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2018 Patrick That picture at Warrington Bank Quay (well underneath it!) is brilliant - sheer filth! Now about getting them done in N ;-) Cheers, Mike 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Patrick That picture at Warrington Bank Quay (well underneath it!) is brilliant - sheer filth! Now about getting them done in N ;-) Cheers, Mike Nice hook. Mind you, I think they are a bit busy at the moment, rumour has it, they're doing the definitive whistler to complete the cemflo package in 00. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Now your torturing us. I’m going to order, but waiting on the EP, but it’s painful seeing images like this and holding out to order. Lord and Lady, that brings back good memories!!!!! C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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