RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) Did 57XX panniers not also replace M7s on Waterloo ECS trains? (CJL). Strictly speaking, they were all 8750s, I think. Several arrived at Nine Elms in 1959, and a couple more in 1961, so before the M7s went. The last Panniers departed in August 1963, including five that had been newly allocated, though they may well have been only "paper" transfers. It was the ten-strong batch of BR3 tanks displaced from Exmouth Junction from late 1962 that finally did for the Drummond engines, and probably the Panniers, too. John Edited June 7, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2018 Didn’t 1500 panniers do Waterloo ECS trips in later days? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted June 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2018 For any viewers just tuning in, welcome back to the Model Rail LB&SCR E1 Pannier topic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Should be a good model if they are using 2020 foresight. Given Rapido's reputation for detail and fidelity it is likely to be an outstanding model. But also with a huge North American HO and N programs with lot's of delay's, a small trickle of UK prototype will have to be a ways out. Interesting, is this the first announcement with a 2020 delivery date? Hmmm 2020 vision or foresight but not hindsight. Not to mention the bus lines of models in HO and 4 mm and Canadien prototype acquisition of rail cars and buses. 2 factories in China going full tilt. Jason is a very busy person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 To discuss the implications of that statement, and to consider the frothing problems raised by the frothing methods involved we have a duck, a cat and a lizard. No? Let's ask the armchair modeller in the street... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I got very excited about this, Then very sad because of all recent expensive releases, Then happy, because it's got a release date of 2020, Then sad again, because it's got a release date of 2020 What a torrent of emotions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted June 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2018 I got very excited about this, Then very sad because of all recent expensive releases, Then happy, because it's got a release date of 2020, Then sad again, because it's got a release date of 2020 What a torrent of emotions. Well, that's my retirement present sorted. Rob. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) Didn’t 1500 panniers do Waterloo ECS trips in later days? I'm not gonna say it never happened, but I never saw it, I spent more time at Waterloo than Paddington ( Nine Elms, and Old Oak as well ) as a train spotter 1959 - 1965 but only saw the bouncy 15's at Paddington (Old Oak). Someone got a pic ?? Edited June 8, 2018 by bike2steam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I'm not gonna say it never happened, but I never saw it, I spent more time at Waterloo than Paddington ( Nine Elms, and Old Oak as well ) as a train spotter 1959 - 1965 but only saw the bouncy 15's at Paddington (Old Oak). Someone got a pic ?? Can't say I ever saw or heard of 15XXs at Waterloo. There were a couple of 97XXs in the twilight years - oh, and for those who want excuses for Brighton locos on the sou-western, there was certainly a Brighton 0-6-2T that was there for a time. I suspect it's the one I have underlined in my 1962 Abc - 32408 (an E6) alongside which I have written 70B, which was the code for Feltham. (CJL) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted June 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2018 Strictly speaking, they were all 8750s, I think. Several arrived at Nine Elms in 1959, and a couple more in 1961, so before the M7s went. The last Panniers departed in August 1963, including five that had been newly allocated, though they may well have been only "paper" transfers. It was the ten-strong batch of BR3 tanks displaced from Exmouth Junction from late 1962 that finally did for the Drummond engines, and probably the Panniers, too. John Didn’t 1500 panniers do Waterloo ECS trips in later days? I'm not gonna say it never happened, but I never saw it, I spent more time at Waterloo than Paddington ( Nine Elms, and Old Oak as well ) as a train spotter 1959 - 1965 but only saw the bouncy 15's at Paddington (Old Oak). Someone got a pic ?? Can't say I ever saw or heard of 15XXs at Waterloo. There were a couple of 97XXs in the twilight years - oh, and for those who want excuses for Brighton locos on the sou-western, there was certainly a Brighton 0-6-2T that was there for a time. I suspect it's the one I have underlined in my 1962 Abc - 32408 (an E6) alongside which I have written 70B, which was the code for Feltham. (CJL) I mean I can see how you could confuse a Stroudley locomotive with a Pannier .... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Do you think suppliers operate a ‘frothometer’? Because if they do, I’d be worried for the E1. A small number of people are clearly delighted by the announcement, but by comparison with the froffin wot I av sin on ere about other classes ....... Paneer ...... that’s Indian cottage cheese isn’t it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris45lsw Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Can't say I ever saw or heard of 15XXs at Waterloo. There were a couple of 97XXs in the twilight years - oh, and for those who want excuses for Brighton locos on the sou-western, there was certainly a Brighton 0-6-2T that was there for a time. I suspect it's the one I have underlined in my 1962 Abc - 32408 (an E6) alongside which I have written 70B, which was the code for Feltham. (CJL) 15xx 0-6-0PTs never worked out of Waterloo. 57xx(8750) - mainly in the 46xx series, though I certainly recall 9770, arrived at Nine Elms in 1959 and from then until 1961 you could see a mixture of 8750s, M7s and Brighton E4s on ECS duties between Waterloo and Clapham Junction. Chris KT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted June 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2018 15xx 0-6-0PTs never worked out of Waterloo. 57xx(8750) - mainly in the 46xx series, though I certainly recall 9770, arrived at Nine Elms in 1959 and from then until 1961 you could see a mixture of 8750s, M7s and Brighton E4s on ECS duties between Waterloo and Clapham Junction. Chris KT I give up! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted June 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2018 Are two threads on the 16xx really necessary? Surely at least one should be about the E1s..... - Alex It would be nice, in this instance to get back on topic. I'm trying a flanking manoeuvre ... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 ORDER!!! ORDER! ORDER, PLEASE! I HEREBY INFORM THE MEMBERS GATHERED HERE THAT DISCUSSION IS TO RETURN TO THE LBSCR CLASS E1. THERE IS ANOTHER THREAD FOR YOUR COPPER KETTLES WITH A PAIR OF BOXES EITHER SIDE OF THE BOILER! SO PLEASE DISCUSS THAT LOCO (The 1600) THERE! THANK YOU! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Mmm, nice pics, interesting the detail differences!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 'They all look much the same to me'. I can see more differences between the preserved E1 in her CRC state and as originally built than between a 1600 and 6400... Ooops. E1E1E1E1E1E1E1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2018 Mmm, nice pics, interesting the detail differences!! Probably no two exactly the same by the outbreak of WW1. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium stephennicholson Posted June 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 9, 2018 I got very excited about this, Then very sad because of all recent expensive releases, Then happy, because it's got a release date of 2020, Then sad again, because it's got a release date of 2020 What a torrent of emotions. I have been worrying that I would have nothing on preorder beyond the end of this year for the first time since 2010 (warship d6xx, H1 and warflats getting closer, with only the railmotor uncertain) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaphant Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 This could be quite an expensive purchase! Not in and of itself but with complimentary purchases. If I get one in Marsh Umber then I would also want to pick up one of the E4s in the same livery that are still hanging around from a few retailers (at a temptingly reasonable price). However, that would also necessitate the purchase of an H1 and Terrier to keep them company in the same livery and complete the 'portrait'. I guess I could always just go for the BR early crest where she would have plenty of friends for her to work with. Just not quite as elegant though. Decisions, decisions decisions! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 This could be quite an expensive purchase! Not in and of itself but with complimentary purchases. If I get one in Marsh Umber then I would also want to pick up one of the E4s in the same livery that are still hanging around from a few retailers (at a temptingly reasonable price). However, that would also necessitate the purchase of an H1 and Terrier to keep them company in the same livery and complete the 'portrait'. Only an H1? Not an H2 too...? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaphant Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Only an H1? Not an H2 too...? As they haven't announced the H2 in umber I thankfully would not be obliged to buy one of those! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 As they haven't announced the H2 in umber I thankfully would not be obliged to buy one of those! Yet... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I think the tooling variations for the H2 don't allow for an original condition model. But that's a whole new conversation... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted June 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) I think the tooling variations for the H2 don't allow for an original condition model. But that's a whole new conversation... Yes, they do. An EP was shown, not only entirely unrebuilt/modified, but featuring bogie brakes. I understand that there no plans at present to produce a model to that specification. Of course, if people make support known to Bachmann, it is a possible future model. EDIT: Well, in terms of digressions, at least it's a Brighton loco! Edited June 9, 2018 by Edwardian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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