sem34090 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) I thought I would make this announcement easier to find, as a lot of people seem to have not worked it out yet. It transpired today that Model Rail, in cooperation with Rapido Trains, is to be producing the LBSCR Class E1 0-6-0T, with the following models to be made available: MR-401 97 - LBSCR Stroudley Improved Engine Green MR-402 127 - LBSCR Stroudley Goods Green MR-403 B96 - Marsh umber but with 'B' prefix as applied by SR MR-404 2142 - SR black (pre-War) MR-405 2606 - SR black, 'sunshine' lettering MR-406 32151 - BR lined black, no emblem MR-407 32113 - BR plain black, early emblem MR-408 32689 - BR plain black, early emblem (weathered) MR-409 W2 - SR (IoW) lined green MR-410 W4 - BR (IoW) black, early emblem I will post more details when I can! Edited December 17, 2021 by AY Mod Title edit 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted June 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 4, 2018 Interesting . Haven’t we got a lot of Southernish tanks appearing at moment ? I’m thinking Hattons little 0-6-0 , is it a P, aren’t Dapol doing a Terrier? I admit I don’t know what an E1 is , but they all look pretty similar to me . Is there really a demand for all these 0-6-0 tanks ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 And for good measure you can always rebuild one to an E1R. Well the E1 was sometimes referred to as a 'stretched Terrier' by Brighton crews. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglian Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Fantastic news. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big James Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Awesome news. With the recent USA tank to such a high standard it’s hard not to be excited. I’ll definitely be getting both early crest versions. With the small SR tanks being limited to such small numbers within classes it’s easy to justify multiple of different classes on a layout. Big James 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted June 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 4, 2018 Oh my poor, poor wallet. I could not find anything on the MR website though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Is this the announcement they are supposed to be making in a few days time? Is this not embargoed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Oh my poor, poor wallet. I could not find anything on the MR website though. It's not "officially" announced yet. It was leaked early both online and with people getting their magazines early. It's alright to discuss as Chris has commented in the other thread. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Is this the announcement they are supposed to be making in a few days time? Is this not embargoed? Yes, and not any more. There is also a BR 16XX 0-6-0PT. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 I only came across it because a certain man named James (Edwardian) hinted at it then revealed it having got a copy of the magazine. Was wondering why there hadn't been the usual full release works from Andy. Mind you, technically MR is this sites competitor... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium gc4946 Posted June 5, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2018 I might be tempted by version MR-405, number 2606 (date and month of my birthday) as it suits some of my late 1940s era rolling stock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) Awesome news. With the recent USA tank to such a high standard it’s hard not to be excited. I’ll definitely be getting both early crest versions. With the small SR tanks being limited to such small numbers within classes it’s easy to justify multiple of different classes on a layout. Big James E1 was not a small class, with 80 examples! The Brighton had been full of ones and twos in J C Craven’s time, as he seemed to like tinkering, but Stroudley was strong on standardisation. The E1 was a success - but train weights began to increase and so Stroudley’s successor, Robert Billinton, created his various classes of radial tanks which were more puissant and led to E1s being laid off earlier than their sound design might suggest. Edited June 5, 2018 by Oldddudders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) It will be interesting to see what detailed variants come out. Early in their lives, they seem to have had condensers. I wonder if the IOW did any special modifications like they did for the O2? The BR weathered version looks interesting and I am keen to have a first taste of how Rapido weathers locos. I expect we will have more details of each variant first before deciding which to express an interest in. Edited June 5, 2018 by JSpencer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffBird Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 I understand that four were sold off and used elsewhere. The preserved 110 come instantly to mind, sold off to Cannock Colliery and now on the IoW. So perhaps we will get an NCB liveried one later. I am modelling the Taw Valley, so a rebuilt E1/R at later date would be ideal for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted June 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2018 I understand that four were sold off and used elsewhere. The preserved 110 come instantly to mind, sold off to Cannock Colliery and now on the IoW. So perhaps we will get an NCB liveried one later. Thanks, yes, an NCB version would be good to see https://goo.gl/images/NcGJV5 cheers, Keith 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Rather than trying to produce an E1R from the toolling, I wonder if a D tank would not be an easier proposition? There were "only" 125 of them and they had long lives on local passenger and push-pull trains. It will be interesting to see how well the colour of Improved Engine Green is captured, and whether the subtleties of the cab roof and the tank tops, which should be slightly recessed, are reproduced. Best wishes Eric 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Interesting . Haven’t we got a lot of Southernish tanks appearing at moment ? I’m thinking Hattons little 0-6-0 , is it a P, aren’t Dapol doing a Terrier? I admit I don’t know what an E1 is , but they all look pretty similar to me . Is there really a demand for all these 0-6-0 tanks ? But then again the UK's railway system (not just the Southern) was littered with small tank engines of numerous classes, and some of them quite attractive, and so far the models produced appear to have found customers. I imagine this 'picking up the crumbs' operation will continue until a well runs dry. The question for me is which ti will be: the money or the available subject list? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) Rather than trying to produce an E1R from the toolling, I wonder if a D tank would not be an easier proposition? There were "only" 125 of them and they had long lives on local passenger and push-pull trains. It will be interesting to see how well the colour of Improved Engine Green is captured, and whether the subtleties of the cab roof and the tank tops, which should be slightly recessed, are reproduced. Best wishes Eric My understanding is that industry best practice is to have a complete suite of tools for every model. This avoids uneven tool wear (two different chassis = 2 tools, same body moulding = 1 tool which gets twice as much use and wears twice as fast). Similarly, having a complete suite of tools for each model avoids 'mix and match' mistakes like 'B-set' coaches with 'B4' bogies (yes, it did happen!). It is also easier to have all the tools for one model together in the same factory. I have suggested that I would try doing an E1R conversion with styrene sheet. That's the only way an E1R is likely, while a D would require a complete new chassis, perhaps there's an etched kit?. (CJL) Edited June 5, 2018 by dibber25 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 ...I have suggested that I would try doing an E1R conversion with styrene sheet... That looks pretty straightforward, as the new cab and bunker is larger, so the new cab and bunker could just 'wrap' the cut down original for secure location. As an alternative to plasticard fabrication it might make a good 3D print project? In 'thinking ahead' mode you might request that Rapido mark the radial axle position on some convenient concealed part of the frame representation as a guide to those wanting to make the conversion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 Well, it goes against everything I stand for, but I will probably try and do an E1r cab and bunker for you all... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 E1 was not a small class, with 80 examples! The Brighton had been full of ones and twos in J C Craven’s time, as he seemed to like tinkering, but Stroudley was strong on standardisation. The E1 was a success - but train weights began to increase and so Stroudley’s successor, Robert Billinton, created his various classes of radial tanks which were more puissant and led to E1s being laid off earlier than their sound design might suggest. 80 examples? When you consider the LNWR had 943 DX Goods and built another 86 for the L&YR, then it's a miniscule class. Both in size and number. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2018 80 examples? When you consider the LNWR had 943 DX Goods and built another 86 for the L&YR, then it's a miniscule class. Both in size and number. Jason I wasn’t aware that comparison with other railways was part of appreciating a newly-announced model. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted June 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) E1 was not a small class, with 80 examples! The Brighton had been full of ones and twos in J C Craven’s time, as he seemed to like tinkering, but Stroudley was strong on standardisation. The E1 was a success - but train weights began to increase and so Stroudley’s successor, Robert Billinton, created his various classes of radial tanks which were more puissant and led to E1s being laid off earlier than their sound design might suggest. I agree. For these Southern companies, 80 was a large class overall, and, as you say, particularly for the time. The Terriers were 50-strong in comparison. So, yes, in the context, the answer to Big James is, no, not a small class! Edited June 5, 2018 by Edwardian 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 Huge class when compared to the other Southern 0-6-0T's currently available... especially when compared with the P's. I would love to see a DX Goods, but that hasn't been announced and this has, and I'm sorry to break it to your little LNWR heart, a prettier appearance and prettier liveries! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium pete_mcfarlane Posted June 5, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2018 That's the only way an E1R is likely, while a D would require a complete new chassis, perhaps there's an etched kit?. (CJL) I seem to recall there are some dimensional differences between the E1 and D1, so the Finecast kit that uses the same body for both is only accurate for one of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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