RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted November 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2018 Help required, I'm planning to order some Dast Castings items, Cart and horse, Loco, landscape and Sidings stuff. Given the ownership linkages, are these caught under the same umbrella of order then non-delivery? Colin I use Dart Castings quite regularly, with my last order about a week or so ago, which turned up within a couple of days. You have nothing to worry about ordering from the DC website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 I think Dart have kinda "mothballed" Falcon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted November 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2018 I had to wait about a month for my last order, as some of the items were out of stock, but an email was replied too, fairly rapidly, informing me off the problem, so no worries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted November 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2018 I think Dart have kinda "mothballed" Falcon. Along with your money it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Along with your money it seems. Yes. The sound of silence from Falcon is deafening! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted November 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2018 Yes. The sound of silence from Falcon is deafening! Try contacting Dart themselves and asking for a refund on your monies. Although they might say it's a different company the reality is that it's all the same family and they should deal with the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Or go to Small Claims Court, fill out a form and go from there . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Or go to Small Claims Court, fill out a form and go from there . I would just send a polite letter first, the dealings I have had with Dart Castings have always been pleasant and found the company to be good. I think the relationship with Falcon is with one of the owners, Dart may not be fully aware of the situation. Again a polite letter may push things along a bit By all means use the above as a last resort but it is a separate entity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 I would just send a polite letter first, the dealings I have had with Dart Castings have always been pleasant and found the company to be good. I think the relationship with Falcon is with one of the owners, Dart may not be fully aware of the situation. Again a polite letter may push things along a bit By all means use the above as a last resort but it is a separate entity When my kit failed to appear , I emailed Dart and its was ignored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Clearwater Posted November 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2018 I’d echo the polite email to Dart approach. I was in a similar position and Dart refunded me quickly. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted November 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2018 So much useful stuff listed, but is it fair to conclude that this is another phantom range, like Coopercraft, or are there any signs of life? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted November 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2018 So much useful stuff listed, but is it fair to conclude that this is another phantom range, like Coopercraft, or are there any signs of life? You'd have more luck raising a Norwegian Blue from the dead. Mind you that could also apply to building some of the stuff..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Still no word from Falcon. An approach through Dart is the next step. Grrrrr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2018 You'd have more luck raising a Norwegian Blue from the dead. Mind you that could also apply to building some of the stuff..... I agree with the last statement, I've got a couple of unmade kits, and the frames are very old fashioned, the axle holes are just tiny etched dots that you need to open out yourself... That explains why they are still unmade! Andy G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted November 29, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2018 I agree with the last statement, I've got a couple of unmade kits, and the frames are very old fashioned, the axle holes are just tiny etched dots that you need to open out yourself... That explains why they are still unmade! Andy G I most certainly DON'T agree with that statement. The Jidenco / Falcon Brass kits are of their time - hand-drawn from the early days of etched brass. In those days we didn't expect a brass origami kit, that folded itself up and begged for the merest touch with a soldering iron. That said, when the model was completed - which was perfectly possible if you used a little modelling skill - you had a model into which you had devoted time, patience and ingenuity. Not scratchbuilt - but certainly there was a lot of 'you' in it. I know which finished models are more robust - and it's not the present-day, digitally-designed, don't tighten the body securing screws to much or it'll bend like a banana ones! Regards, John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted November 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2018 The Jidenco / Falcon Brass kits are of their time - hand-drawn from the early days of etched brass. In those days we didn't expect a brass origami kit, that folded itself up and begged for the merest touch with a soldering iron. That they are, but when available* were at the price of a much better CAD designed and accurate kit. I realise you are a fan of the range, but to say that a fold up wagon that comes in the shape of a cross with a multitude of half etch lines near to the fold lines is a good kit is barking. * I say 'available' but what I mean is being able to order and the monies taken then silence with nothing received. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2018 John, My statement is not that I don't do kits, I do, and a fair amount of bashing too. The falcon kits I have are of locos that are not available anywhere else, and are in the to-do pile, but each time they come out the though of getting the chassis together causes them to go back into the drawer for another year. One day they will be built, but I need to get much more confident before I tackle them..... Andy G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 You'd have more luck raising a Norwegian Blue from the dead. Mind you that could also apply to building some of the stuff..... Dave Nice one, also perhaps looking at N15's trials at bringing a Jedinco kit back to life, or rather making it work for the first time Perhaps this is why so many kits are part/unbuilt, some are difficult to build others impossible 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted November 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2018 John, My statement is not that I don't do kits, I do, and a fair amount of bashing too. The falcon kits I have are of locos that are not available anywhere else, and are in the to-do pile, but each time they come out the though of getting the chassis together causes them to go back into the drawer for another year. One day they will be built, but I need to get much more confident before I tackle them..... Andy G I've got an Avonside chassis jig. . .makes it much easier....you could do them all at once Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2018 Are you offering to build both of them for me then Dave? ;-) Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted November 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2018 Are you offering to build both of them for me then Dave? ;-) Andy G I've got an Avonside chassis jig. . .makes it much easier....you could do them all at once The appropriate word is in Bold.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2018 Almost got you there..... Drat! Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I've got an Avonside chassis jig. . .makes it much easier....you could do them all at once Dave I sometimes wonder where we go wrong, look at the old RTR chassis, slop everywhere but they run faultlessly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted November 29, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2018 Dave I sometimes wonder where we go wrong, look at the old RTR chassis, slop everywhere but they run faultlessly I'm not so sure - far too many of the modern RTR chassis, especially those with gear-coupled driving axles, have FAR more slop than even a worn Tri-ang Jinty chassis ever had. The secret is enough slop to counteract the inevitable minor errors in axle-spacing, coupling rod drilling, and less-than-perpendicular crankpins - but not too much, so that the whole shebang can get out of step with itself. To achieve this - don't be in too much hurry to open everything up if you get a 'knock' at first - identify the tight spot and ease only the tight crankpin / coupling rod bearing. (It'll be one of the ones that are horizontal at the sticking point. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted December 3, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 3, 2018 That they are, but when available* were at the price of a much better CAD designed and accurate kit. I realise you are a fan of the range, but to say that a fold up wagon that comes in the shape of a cross with a multitude of half etch lines near to the fold lines is a good kit is barking. * I say 'available' but what I mean is being able to order and the monies taken then silence with nothing received. When buying an etched brass kit, it's mainly the brass sheet that you pay for, whether hand-drawn or CAD designed. I am a fan of the range, because the subjects were mainly 'off-beat', and very unlikely to be available in any other form. In circumstances where the choice was Jidenco / Falcon Brass or scratchbuild, I considered the former were excellent value. It is indeed sad that the attempt to re-introduce the range foundered - for whatever the reason; we are the poorer for that. Regards, John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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