RMweb Premium Dava Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2018 Never mind, some Great Western engine will bend a firebar or get a hot box soon. But the thread title ignores the work put in by the A1 Trust to repair their loco which is now running again. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Speaking as a born and bred LMS man, I wonder why it is that one of their 'bit rubbish' engines still holds the World Speed Record? Hi There, The reason for that is that Gresley was trained at Horwich ! Not far from Wigan. Gibbo. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 This is true! Unfortunately, so was Henry Fowler! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2018 Hi There, The reason for that is that Gresley was trained at Horwich ! Not far from Wigan. Gibbo. Didn't he also have some early connections with Crewe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2018 Pardon me for daring to criticize the A1 Trust. My only objection is that they are not doing a very good PR job. If the root-cause is still under investigation or they are prohibited from making any findings public for now, they could easily say that. What's so difficult about that? Why are you so worried? Comments from a country which introduced the "litigation " culture which has spread to the UK means is a bit cheap. So long as the A1 Trust has completed a review and repair to match the needs of Network Rail and their own insurers when the information from that review is published, in whichever way it is made public is up to them. Of course you can come back to the UK and become part of the Trust to ensure they provide the PR information that you want when you want it. Baz 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I rather imagine that issues of commercial and professional confidentiality apply to anything relating to insurance and chartering, and PR is a long way behind that. The A1 Trust are doubtless, focussed on maintaining their relationships within the complex web of stakeholders without whom, there IS no main line running - and this is as it should be. And let’s be clear about this. It’s all very interesting to know, as an otherwise uninvolved third party, what did, or didn’t actually occur but in the wider scheme of things, it isn’t a priority for anyone directly involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Gresley was trained at Crewe, then went to the L&Y, I think, on the carriage & wagon side, then to the Great Northern in the same capacity. He didn't get into locomotive matters until HA Ivatt retired. His locomotive designs were not without their flaws, although from the writings of others who were around at the time, he was not one to acknowledge his mistakes. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2018 There's already plenty of rubbish in this thread so I'll throw a bit more in. Gresley was trained at Crewe, ............ ....His locomotive designs were not without their flaws, although from the writings of others who were around at the time, he was not one to acknowledge his mistakes.Jim Perhaps his conjugated valve gear was something he dreamed up when studying the Compounds of F W Webb, who would have been Boss at Crewe when HNG was there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 45156 Posted September 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2018 Speaking as a born and bred LMS man, I wonder why it is that one of their 'bit rubbish' engines still holds the World Speed Record? Probably because they never had a really good opportunity to allow a Duchess to fully flex its muscles. (Ducks behind parapet now and dons tin helmet) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2018 Who calibrated the dynamometer car? Ducks (good pun eh? ) and leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2018 Probably because they never had a really good opportunity to allow a Duchess to fully flex its muscles. (Ducks behind parapet now and dons tin helmet) But the LMS did test the track holding capabilities! The loco was also able to complete its journey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 45156 Posted September 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2018 But the LMS did test the track holding capabilities! The loco was also able to complete its journey. Yes, but I suspect that ANY Duchess (streamlined or otherwise) could have hit 130mph given the conditions that Mallard had - ie a long slow descent with no difficult curves - such conditions did not exist on the LMS system anywhere. I know from talking to some drivers that some of the speeds achieved were very fast indeed in the 1950s - one or two have claimed that they were WELL over 120 mph - however that could just be talk - my late uncle, who was a senior man at Crewe said that most if not all of the Duchesses had "a hell of a lot more to give". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2018 It would be interesting to know the speeds reached when 46244 broke the 2-hour barrier from Crewe to Euston on the Up 'Caledonian' in the late 1950s. It was around the time when the proposed 119 minute timing was announced for the future electric service. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 On a very basic level, given what it's cost them, I'd be very surprised if the A1 Trust just shrugged their collective shoulders and said "s#%£ happens". Ditto the other players (NR, assorted insurers, any engineering subcontractors from the initial build and subsequent maintenance). As I and others have said, those who need to know will know as much as can be determined. That's hardly a cover-up. The general public, even the enthusiast general public, has repeatedly, over the years, shown itself to be, on average, unable to understand the engineering concepts involved in anything more complex than, say, a wheelbarrow. I can certainly understand putting out technical details to those not directly involved as being a low priority when allocating limited resources. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2018 https://www.google.ie/search?client=ms-android-h3g-ie&q=how+does+a+wheelbarrow+work&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ5qrk-8PdAhUTa8AKHTm2AdMQ1QIoBnoECAkQBw&biw=360&bih=616 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2018 https://www.google.ie/search?client=ms-android-h3g-ie&q=how+does+a+wheelbarrow+work&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ5qrk-8PdAhUTa8AKHTm2AdMQ1QIoBnoECAkQBw&biw=360&bih=616 Hmm, one of my wheelbarrows has got a series of safety pictograms on it which sum up that lot far more succinctly. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Comments from a country which introduced the "litigation " culture which has spread to the UK means is a bit cheap. I wouldn't be so sure about that. Charles Dickens exposed a blooming English litigation culture in his novel Bleak House. What is cheap is attempting to suppress the views of someone for no other reason than they "don't belong". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted September 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 25, 2018 I wouldn't be so sure about that. Charles Dickens exposed a blooming English litigation culture in his novel Bleak House. What is cheap is attempting to suppress the views of someone for no other reason than they "don't belong". I quite agree, I really don't see where a poster is from as being relevant to their opinions in most cases. Exceptions tend to be in wheeltappers where we discuss off topic things where there may well be a regional slant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted September 27, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2018 It is cheap for someone overseas to demand information from the A1 Trust which is not relevant to them or will impact their lives. This has been covered in PMs but obviously this isn't enough. Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted September 27, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2018 It is cheap for someone overseas to demand information from the A1 Trust which is not relevant to them or will impact their lives. This has been covered in PMs but obviously this isn't enough. Baz Why? Much of the news anybody on this board will take an interest in is hardly to affect their lives, it doesn't stop them asking questions or taking an interest in things. Nor should it. And are we to believe no overseas residents have provided any financial benefit for the A1 Trust? I find the concept of limiting what interest a person may take in a subject because of where they live to be a rather sinister idea. Where does it stop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHNMCDRAGON Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Back on topic, I saw Tornado running this afternoon over the Ham Lane crossing at Ferry Meadows Country Park. The Nene Valley Railway also has Flying Scotsman there this weekend, and according to their website is completely sold out. They were even warning over resale of tickets and ticket-touts, so looks like it'll be very popular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 It is cheap for someone overseas to demand information from the A1 Trust which is not relevant to them or will impact their lives. This has been covered in PMs but obviously this isn't enough. Baz Hi Baz, Nobody is demanding anything. "Overseas" visitors contribute significant monies to the UK economy because of live steam. Andy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 This is local railway for local people. There's nothing for overseas visitors here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Good report on the causes now available on the A1 Trust website. https://www.a1steam.com/2018/10/29/october-repair-update/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Good report on the causes now available on the A1 Trust website. https://www.a1steam.com/2018/10/29/october-repair-update/ And very interesting it is too. Thank you for posting the link to it. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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