Caley Jim Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Is this a model railway forum, or have I inadvertently stumbled into a literary appreciation forum? Discuss. Jim 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 It's just a typical RMWeb thread. Perhaps there should be a free Hornpol 10 ft wheelbase steel framed PO wagon for anyone who can find the exit. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted March 15, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: It's just a typical RMWeb thread. I beg to differ; no one has fallen out yet. 6 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Perhaps there should be a free Hornpol 10 ft wheelbase steel framed PO wagon for anyone who can find the exit. Stephen, so young and yet so cynical? 2 hours ago, Caley Jim said: Is this a model railway forum, or have I inadvertently stumbled into a literary appreciation forum? Discuss. Jim It's life, Jim, but not as we know it. How society framed the railways and how the railways framed society is, I submit, a fascinating and legitimate subject, and this topic deals with the formative years in this regard, and the literature of the period is one of the best places to seek for answers. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Edwardian said: How society framed the railways and how the railways framed society is, I submit, a fascinating and legitimate subject, and this topic deals with the formative years in this regard, and the literature of the period is one of the best places to seek for answers. 'Cept there's no railways in Jane Austen. Although, the first time we tried to visit the Mid-Hants after moving to Reading, taking the train to Alton, we had failed in our youthful childless innocence to factor in that it was a Thomas Day, so we walked to Chawton and went round the cottage instead. Railway enthusiast 0, literary spouse 1. Edited March 15, 2020 by Compound2632 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 Jim, you’re right, here’s a nice example of where it’s really at: http://evp.dk/index.php?page=odin---danmarks-forste-damplokomotiv 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbcompound Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, Northroader said: Jim, you’re right, here’s a nice example of where it’s really at: http://evp.dk/index.php?page=odin---danmarks-forste-damplokomotiv Danmarks første damplokomotiv. Was it called that because there was no windshield or cab? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 On 13/03/2020 at 19:08, Caley Jim said: The Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway found that members of all social classes were happy to travel in the cheaper second class carriages, which, although they had roofs, had wooden seats with no upholstery and no glass in the windows. It was even said that Magistrates were happy to travel in the seat-less 'stand-up' fourth class! Jim There are quite a few accounts of wealthy director types saying they were happy to travel in open thirds. The fact that so many were saying that when giving evidence against Gladstone's proposal to regulate the railways and insist on roofs and windows for the lower classes does suggest a bit of economy with the truth. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted March 15, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: 'Cept there's no railways in Jane Austen. Although, the first time we tried to visit the Mid-Hants after moving to Reading, taking the train to Alton, we had failed in our youthful childless innocence to factor in that it was a Thomas Day, so we walked to Chawton and went round the cottage instead. Railway enthusiast 0, literary spouse 1. Which is why it is a good starting point for judging their subsequent impact. Many aspects of an Austen plot, though taking full advantage of several posts a day and the occasional "express", would fail in the face of railway travel. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm 0-6-0 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Edwardian said: Which is why it is a good starting point for judging their subsequent impact. Many aspects of an Austen plot, though taking full advantage of several posts a day and the occasional "express", would fail in the face of railway travel. Yes, just reading Emma* again at the moment, and there is a reference to how living at a distance of 16 miles from another character makes regular visits impossible. The tyranny of distance** is hard to imagine these days. * Nothing to do with the latest film, just thought it was about time I did. ** Pace Geoffrey Blainey Edited March 16, 2020 by Malcolm 0-6-0 correcting case 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Victorian railways would transform the publishing trade. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted March 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20, 2020 Here’s another link to furrin parts, in this case the early Railways in Paris, notably St, Germain and Versailles. If you follow the subsidiary links to these you’ll find some very dainty engravings for imported Stephensons, Buries, and Sharpies. http://roland.arzul.pagesperso-orange.fr/historique/index.htm 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Northroader said: Here’s another link to furrin parts, in this case the early Railways in Paris, notably St, Germain and Versailles. If you follow the subsidiary links to these you’ll find some very dainty engravings for imported Stephensons, Buries, and Sharpies. http://roland.arzul.pagesperso-orange.fr/historique/index.htm I have almost finished reading David Hamilton's recent book on the early locos of the Caledonian Railway. William Barber Buddicom is mentioned several times as he was brought in by Locke to work on the GP&GR and then went with him to the Edge Hill Works of the GJR and was closely involved in development of what became known as the 'Crewe Type'. From there he went to France with Locke in 1841 and they set up the firm Allcard Buddicom et Cie, first with works at Chertreux, which had no rail connection, and in 1845 moving to Sotteville, just outside Rouen and adjacent to the line. "Buddicom became so well known in France that 'Le Buddicom' became slang for a locomotive,just like 'Hoover' was later used for vacuum cleaner in this country". (Ibid p13) Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted March 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20, 2020 On that link, Jim, you may spot a long boiler 2-4-0 Buddicom, something the Caley didn’t think of, which would make a nice model, and also Rouen managed to do an 0-4-2 Buddicom, ditto, which was also pictured in your book. Funny thing, I was looking in that book the other night for Sharp Roberts 2-2-2s, and the Caley and constituents never had any, rather suprising when you consider pretty well every other line had some. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Northroader said: On that link, Jim, you may spot a long boiler 2-4-0 Buddicom, something the Caley didn’t think of, which would make a nice model, and also Rouen managed to do an 0-4-2 Buddicom, ditto, which was also pictured in your book. The two Buddicom's in the 'Paris-Rouen' link certainly have an early 'Crewe Type' look abut them. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Simpson Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2020 A promising new early layout blog here: Trying to Model the Liverpool & Manchester in ho. I think anyone modelling the Liverpool and Manchester Railway in Oklahoma deserves all our support! 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence Locomotive Works Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) Many thanks Ian, the station has since been installed. Addmitidly we don’t have much railway stuff here, no passenger trains, as the beautiful Art Deco station is now a jazz museum, but we do have an enormous hump yard used by the BNSF. We have too old locos lying around in parks, one a logging engine, the other a giant 4-8-4 named meteor. -Douglas Edited March 24, 2020 by Florence Locomotive Works 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drmditch Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 On 16/03/2020 at 05:51, rockershovel said: Victorian railways would transform the publishing trade. Also Mr Gladstone's reducing the tax on Paper in his 1860 budget. (Just re-reading Roy Chadwick's biography of Gladstone.) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Ashdown Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 To the discussion earlier in March regarding carriage chassis, here are three drawings from Whishaw (1842 edition): 5 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I wonder how long those low floor carriages lasted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestTom Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 15/03/2020 at 15:53, Edwardian said: Which is why it is a good starting point for judging their subsequent impact. Many aspects of an Austen plot, though taking full advantage of several posts a day and the occasional "express", would fail in the face of railway travel. Funnily enough, Tolstoy's inspiration for Anna Karenina was the coming of the railways. He was sitting in a station and thought railways could be a great device for enabling plausible coincidences. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted June 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 6, 2020 The latest update regarding the Early Railways Conferences serial now posted into its' own thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted June 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 21/03/2018 at 14:47, Caley Jim said: I built one of these kits many, many years ago! The first Scottish railway was the Tranent and Cockenzie Waggonway, built in 1772, horse drawn on wooden rails. Jim Just FYI the cockenzie and port Tranent waggonway was opened in 1722 and was briefly involved in the early stages of the 1745 Jacobite rebellion 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Asterix2012 said: Just FYI the cockenzie and port Tranent waggonway was opened in 1722 and was briefly involved in the early stages of the 1745 Jacobite rebellion Yes, I was aware of that typo @Asterix, and that the Battle of Prestonpans was fought across it. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted June 19, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, Caley Jim said: Yes, I was aware of that typo @Asterix, and that the Battle of Prestonpans was fought across it. Jim Now what would a Jacobite armored train have looked like? Can you armor a horse? Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted June 19, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2020 One imagines it would wear Royal Stewart Tartan .... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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