sigtech Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Hello, can anyone tell me when, and for what period BR adopted the 'door to door' branding, with a single large white arrow on its bauxite painted containers such as the type AF, A or BD. Thanks in anticipation. Regards, (SIGTECH) Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) I don’t know, but I suspect c1966/67/68, during the corporate image revolution. More to the point, though, isn’t the logo a white arrow inside a black outer arrow, which together form the outline of a cuboid, referencing both direct movement and the box-like freight container? Edited March 11, 2018 by Nearholmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigtech Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 Yes sorry you are indeed correct, was typing in a hurry and missed the bit about the black arrow from the description so thanks for that - as I suspected though its outside my modelling period by several years. thanks for the clarification. Regards, (SIGTECH) Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 It might take a bit of detective work to nail this down, I think, because road vehicles seem to have displayed a black and red version of the logo, without the ‘door-to-door’, wording possibly from somewhat earlier, although maybe the new logo was simply slapped on top of the old crimsom and cream livery. The wording ‘door-to-door’ is even older, I think pre-BR, from a campaign run jointly by the Big Four, and certainly appeared in publicity material before it got co-opted to sit under or alongside the ‘box arrows’. Doesn’t is figure in the Z-shaped logo used on freight containers pre-WW2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 11, 2018 isn’t the logo a white arrow inside a black outer arrow, which together form the outline of a cuboid, referencing both direct movement and the box-like freight container? .... otherwise known as the flying crate !! My recollection is that it came in with boxed-style numbering - whenever that was; (I lost interest in full-scale railways at that time). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 You’ll like this video, I suspect. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GDpCqmGKXp0 Look out for the first vehicle in the first train. The wires are up, but steam is still in service, so it probably dates from around when I stated. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 It is pre the blue corporate image, late in 1963 or early 1964. As is the boxed in style of lettering on wagons. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brconflata/e60824727 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brconflata/e675871bb http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brconflata/e236ae733 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brconflata/e68c08f7e Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2018 I think the Flying Crate was first shown at an exhibition of rolling stock at Marylebone around 1963. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted March 12, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2018 It might take a bit of detective work to nail this down, I think, because road vehicles seem to have displayed a black and red version of the logo, without the ‘door-to-door’, wording possibly from somewhat earlier, although maybe the new logo was simply slapped on top of the old crimsom and cream livery. The wording ‘door-to-door’ is even older, I think pre-BR, from a campaign run jointly by the Big Four, and certainly appeared in publicity material before it got co-opted to sit under or alongside the ‘box arrows’. Doesn’t is figure in the Z-shaped logo used on freight containers pre-WW2? Agreed. Looking at photos of LMS containers, they originally had "Container Service" on them. This was quickly changed to "Container" on one line & "Door to Door Service" below. I believe the Big Four promoted the service jointly. The logo was of course a BR addition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted March 14, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2018 In one of my Southern steam books, there is a pic of a Urie S15 4-6-0 hauling a mixed freight which includes at least one conflat with a “door to door” branded container. I think the pic is dated May/June ‘64, the loco depicted certainly didn’t have long to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I thought the branding came in with the change to yellow road vehicles. I recall an article about it in the old Airfix magazine,. In fact, I even did a Scammell Scarab in that livery! Must have been about 1962? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2018 Don't forget that the flagship container train was called CONDOR and started running in March 1959. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2018 Modern Railways April 1963 carried an article Towards a BR House Style. This was a report on an exhibition at the Design Centre in London in February/March 1963. This article mentioned a "striking new Freight Arrow symbol" to be applied with new colours, and containers to carry the Door to Door wording 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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