rue_d_etropal Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 thanks for that, ive now been into that part 1 on graces guide and saved it Just done the same. Interesting comparison of articles, one about old steam engines, and one about the latest computers of the time! Would really like to do one of thes, or maybe the Foden conversion as a 3D print. Is the Foden basically the same as the road version? If so I could use one of the kits available 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 2mmMark Posted March 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2018 It's possible to adapt a road vehicle kit. In my case a Fleetline 2mm casting. I have tried to motorise it and managed to have the driving wheels rotating but there was very little traction, so resorted to the powered van. I really need to crack on and finish it. Not sure whether to present it in pristine condition like Blue Circle or model it in industrial service. My copy of the book in the photo cost me 50p at an LT Museum open day! I've seen a very nice 5" gauge live steam A&P inspired loco. Mark 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 2mmMark Posted March 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2018 Found some photos of the 5" gauge live steam loco. I believe it was still under construction at this point. Mark 14 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 There is a kit for Blue Circle in both 4mm and 2mm scales if anyone is patient enough to figure out how to motorise it https://www.shapeways.com/product/9GSFRGPJJ/oo-aveling-porter-quot-blue-circle-quot-loco-body?optionId=64174728 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted March 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 2, 2018 Love that blue Mamod powered one with the Rocket wheels. Many years ago when I still had good eyesight and steady hands I had a go at making a Clayton & Shuttleworth loco like the one in the Engineer article. I was working in finescale 'S' so that gave me a little more room to play with. Unfortunately it never got finished due to too much 'life' happening all at once and I think the bits are still rattling around in a box somewhere. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 2mmMark Posted March 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2018 Some photos of Samson from Facebook 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 just bought the that archive issue, very good pics in it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 There is a kit for Blue Circle in both 4mm and 2mm scales if anyone is patient enough to figure out how to motorise it https://www.shapeways.com/product/9GSFRGPJJ/oo-aveling-porter-quot-blue-circle-quot-loco-body?optionId=64174728 Just had a look on 3D spin, motorization would be a bit easier if it did not have a solid base. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I find these machines fascinating and have seen both Sirapite and Sydenham in the flesh (or iron?). However I had no idea that traction engine locos had been built by companies other than Aveling and Porter. The Fowler engines in this thread intrigue me; does anybody know how many they built and whether any of them had cabs like so many of the Aveling and Porters? I am contemplating marrying together the boiler and mechanism of a Keil Kraft Fowler ploughing engine with the frames and wheels of an Airfix Pug and then maybe putting the hybrid in a cake box. I could call it a Fowler based freelance; I have failed to find any images of Fowler locos other than the 3 that Sir Douglas has already posted on this thread and would be grateful if anybody could point me towards any more so I could possibly produce something closer to prototype. If all else fails I could add a simple canopy as on the 'works shunter'. Also, should I use the Fowler's traction engine chimney or the 'locomotive' one from the Pug? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 there are some lovely photos in the industrial Archive mentioned, issue 87 that has some more Fowlers as well as other makers and rebuilds of road engines on wagon chassis', i myself plan building the 1871 Fowler as shown one day http://lightmoor.co.uk/books/archive-issue-87/ARCH87 the article has also lead me to be able to identify some of the photos in post #1 the first 3 are A&P No 807 of 1872 for the Wotton tramway "John Barleycorn" is A&P 6369 of 1907 "excelsior" is A&P 1607 of 1880 "Vincent" is "Sir Vincent" 8800 of 1917, identified from the RCTS website the first Fowler is 7464 for london County Council the works shunter is Fowler 3409 of 1878 "lion" Bearpark colliery is 1 of 2 for Bearpark, either Fowler 2820 or 2821 Tyhterington "ironduke" is Fowler 7958 of 1898, which was of a fowler design principle that could be convertable between rail and road, the article says that this one was hardly ever on the rail, i wonder what happened to the original front wheel, as it should be in the similar appearance as No 7464 above 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickon Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 there are some lovely photos in the industrial Archive mentioned, issue 87 that has some more Fowlers as well as other makers and rebuilds of road engines on wagon chassis', i myself plan building the 1871 Fowler as shown one day http://lightmoor.co.uk/books/archive-issue-87/ARCH87 the article has also lead me to be able to identify some of the photos in post #1 the first 3 are A&P No 807 of 1872 for the Wotton tramway "John Barleycorn" is A&P 6369 of 1907 "excelsior" is A&P 1607 of 1880 "Vincent" is "Sir Vincent" 8800 of 1917, identified from the RCTS website the first Fowler is 7464 for london County Council the works shunter is Fowler 3409 of 1878 "lion" Bearpark colliery is 1 of 2 for Bearpark, either Fowler 2820 or 2821 Tyhterington "ironduke" is Fowler 7958 of 1898, which was of a fowler design principle that could be convertable between rail and road, the article says that this one was hardly ever on the rail, i wonder what happened to the original front wheel, as it should be in the similar appearance as No 7464 above Thank you. I've just ordered a copy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickon Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I find these machines fascinating and have seen both Sirapite and Sydenham in the flesh (or iron?). However I had no idea that traction engine locos had been built by companies other than Aveling and Porter. The Fowler engines in this thread intrigue me; does anybody know how many they built and whether any of them had cabs like so many of the Aveling and Porters? I am contemplating marrying together the boiler and mechanism of a Keil Kraft Fowler ploughing engine with the frames and wheels of an Airfix Pug and then maybe putting the hybrid in a cake box. I could call it a Fowler based freelance; I have failed to find any images of Fowler locos other than the 3 that Sir Douglas has already posted on this thread and would be grateful if anybody could point me towards any more so I could possibly produce something closer to prototype. If all else fails I could add a simple canopy as on the 'works shunter'. Also, should I use the Fowler's traction engine chimney or the 'locomotive' one from the Pug? IMG_2270.JPG Compromises forced by my choice of chassis and the usable parts from the plastic kit have evolved into a freelance machine incorporating features from both the Fowler and the Aveling & Porter locos. She's no beauty but I do think she captures the character of these extraordinary machines reasonably well. 17 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ruston Posted April 22, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Colin Binnie designed this one 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickon Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Colin Binnie designed this one A really sweet little neverwozzer! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturminster_Newton Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Yak.jpg A really sweet little neverwozzer! In fact it is a model produced by Mr Binnie He only built one before he died The prototype and last built item was supplied to a 16mm Association Member. Mr Binnie was also building a batch but only got to make the gear train and the oscillating motor components. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) this from facebook about a month ago. Manson sawmill in New Zealand, converted their Burrell tractor to rail Edited June 28, 2022 by sir douglas 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 I’ve always drawn a mental distinction between ‘traction engine locomotives’ and ‘over-type locomotives’, on a ‘you know one when you see it’ basis. Anyway ........ If you want an over-type for your garden railway, Regner’s ‘Vincent’ has a strong reputation https://www.gardenrailways.co.uk/regner-vincent-25410.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 Beamish's Samson and the schwarztkopff (previous page) fits this, its an over type loco with no connection to traction or portable engines rather than a loco designed and built by traction engine builders like A&P or Fowler maybe the thread should be "Compilation of overtype locomotives" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Likewise I think the various small Lewin ones. But, honestly, I was only musing, not picking - they’re all interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) This one, which I would guess is c3ft gauge, has long intrigued me. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaddon,_Cambridgeshire#/media/File%3ACoprolite_train_between_Meldreth_and_Whaddon_Station_circa_1880_(Cambridge_Collection).jpg The wagons I think might be from Howard of Bedford, and I'm tempted to attribute the loco to them too, but with no real evidence, although it does look sufficiently like one of their threshing engines to make the suggestion plausible. Whoever built it, I'm certain its ancestry is threshing, rather than traction, engine. Anyone else have any clues? Edited July 22, 2020 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 that came up last year on facebook but i completelly forgot about it, nothing is said for certain what this is except it was something by a local agricultural machinery builder comments on the post gives these links General info of the railway http://www.meldrethhistory.org.uk/page/page_id__516.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3mGEYEFq6Rp-mCIbnJQsHaCH2yPhOwZbHnXLxOMsyQngrtvcMvj4ROIaw surviving wagon https://ramsey-and-district.ccan.co.uk/content/catalogue_item/restored-coprolite-wagon-used-to-transport-coprolite-from-the-diggings-to-the-railhead-wharves?fbclid=IwAR25HLLHW341bU3QbFVzw-VA37PFgRQtxAFQMhbFblqVvXmEu8q2EGi9dLU 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Blow me! I had no idea any wagons survived - is that at a museum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I wondered where they came from! My pics 10 years ago. Stewart 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) Ramsey Rural Museum - definitely one for a passing visit if/when the plague passes. Here is a Howard portable engine, in this case driving a ploughing winch. Of course, engines from other makers were very similar, so maybe Clayton & Shuttleworth, and Ruston are local enough, but I favour Howard because they provided a fair range of “field railway” kit. Much later they built internal combustion locos, of course. Edited July 23, 2020 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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