sem34090 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I was recently told on an LMS Garratt appearing at Guildford shed sometime between 1955 and 1966... Can anyone prove this? If so I would be very interested in doing myself a model of it! I doubt it happened, but the person who told me says they have a photo of the event at home and will show it to me at some stage. C. Urious, SE England Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) That I gotta see, considering the full-size LMS Garratts had all gone by 1958. Someone's having a wind-up, probably a railwayman's model perhaps ?? I've seen Wellingboro' 8F's & 9F's at Feltham, but Garratt's. Edited February 19, 2018 by bike2steam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 It was probably the one used for the little-known trials on the Isle of Wight, which were highly unsuccessful, and led to electrification and old tube trains. The loco involved was in good fettle, so once it had been chiselled out of Ryde Esplanade Tunnel, it was transferred to the Strategic Reserve Depot via Marchwood Military Railway. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D854_Tiger Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 It was probably the one used for the little-known trials on the Isle of Wight, which were highly unsuccessful, and led to electrification and old tube trains. The loco involved was in good fettle, so once it had been chiselled out of Ryde Esplanade Tunnel, it was transferred to the Strategic Reserve Depot via Marchwood Military Railway. Ah, now your are pulling our legs, everyone knows the SR is somewhere inside Box Tunnel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Ah, now your are pulling our legs, everyone knows the SR is somewhere inside Box Tunnel. OH NO!! Please, please don't start that again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Turpin Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) It was probably the one used for the little-known trials on the Isle of Wight, which were highly unsuccessful, and led to electrification and old tube trains. The loco involved was in good fettle, so once it had been chiselled out of Ryde Esplanade Tunnel, it was transferred to the Strategic Reserve Depot via Marchwood Military Railway. That was after it was exhibited on the canal wharf at Leicester one weekend for a transport themed carnival, after successfully managing to negotiate Glenfield tunnel as test to make sure they could get the others in. Ooops, shouldn't have said that. Of course the ends are all sealed up now so the secret is safe. Edited February 19, 2018 by Dick Turpin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Ah! The famous beauty contest between the Garratt, Guildford's twin-dome C2X & its Q1 (allegedly) ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) “Ah, now your are pulling our legs, everyone knows the SR is somewhere inside Box Tunnel.” I was careful to say “via” Marchwood. If I was to divulge the location of the SR, I would probably have to shoot myself, or spend the remainder of my days in some obscure part of Paraguay, forever looking over my shoulder. Edited February 19, 2018 by Nearholmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 Pre 1958 would be feasible, given the person's age, but I personally doubt the story. Still, someone may turn up proof or at least a credible theory! We'll see if the photo turns up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Still, not as bad as the story I came across in a book about someone travelling Kings Cross to YOrkney behind either 36001 or 36002... especially if he meant 36002! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Where's YOrkney? That should've read as York. Blumming Precipitive test... and autocarrot... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Probably a Saltley driver after getting a bit of overtime in, I can see the thought process now.... What loco can I use on the Guilford Freight that the SR driver probably won't sign, so I can helpfully offer to drive it the rest of the way while he conducts? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 20, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2018 Probably a Saltley driver after getting a bit of overtime in, I can see the thought process now.... What loco can I use on the Guilford Freight that the SR driver probably won't sign, so I can helpfully offer to drive it the rest of the way while he conducts?A Saltley man would probably have made it right through to the seaside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 In that case, and referring here to Kevin's superior knowledge, should this topic be called: "An LMS Garratt? At Ventnor?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 “Ah, now your are pulling our legs, everyone knows the SR is somewhere inside Box Tunnel.” I was careful to say “via” Marchwood. If I was to divulge the location of the SR, I would probably have to shoot myself, or spend the remainder of my days in some obscure part of Paraguay, forever looking over my shoulder. Be careful what you wish for. There's still a few wood-burning North British steamers capable of operation in Paraguay - but no Garratts, unfortunately. (For that you need to go to Bolivia). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) Maybe what the OPs friend saw was the Bullied Leader at Guildford? Or had that gone by 1955? Or more of a possibility the LMR 2-10-0 which was known to have worked on the mainline at times. Edited February 20, 2018 by roythebus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Would a Garratt even fit into the confined space that was once Guildford shed? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 I can tell you it wouldn't have been Leader, it went shortly before he was born, and he knows the Longmoor locos from visiting several times before closure. Still waiting for the photo... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Would a Garratt even fit into the confined space that was once Guildford shed? It wouldn't fit the turntable, but may be able to go straight across from the two entrance roads into the straight section of the shed ?? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 OK, abating from mocking for a minute, and assuming that the guy wasn’t mistaken or leg-pulling: where were the garratts scrapped? Or, is there any conceivable reason why one might have been passing through? I don’t mean hauling a train, I mean being taken somewhere. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 At that time, locos were scrapped at BR works, in this case Crewe or Derby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 Another thought... Maybe he meant an Industrial Garratt? Unlikely I know, but another theory? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 OK, abating from mocking for a minute, and assuming that the guy wasn’t mistaken or leg-pulling: where were the garratts scrapped? Or, is there any conceivable reason why one might have been passing through? I don’t mean hauling a train, I mean being taken somewhere. Can't think of anywhere south of Guilford, apart from which 'LMS2968' sez, where it'd go to, apart from Pompey Dockyard, now just a shadow of it's former self, which at one time was huge, and had it's own internal railway system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2018 At that time, locos were scrapped at BR works, in this case Crewe or Derby.Garratt were shopped at Crewe as Derby reportedly couldn't cope with anything that big. Scrapping details on the web are sketchy but those listed were all cut up at Crewe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 The only surviving U.K. industrial Garratt at this time was 0-4-0+0-4-0T William Francis which worked at Baddesley colliery in the Midlands until 1965. By 1968 it was in preservation at Bressingham in Norfolk, seems unlikely it went via Guildford shed. Seriously, rather than asking here, just get your mates photo, the one “he’ll show you at some stage”. If it exists not only will it answer the question definitively, it will be photographic gold dust. Every magazine will snatch his hand off wanting to print it, and it will add to the known history of the Garratts. Pending the production of this mythical photo, I think the current phrase is Fake News. Happy to have my scepticism proven wrong. . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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