Steamport Southport Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 The Graham's Lager livery is authentic. I don't know about whether it's correct for that wagon though. Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 4 hours ago, micklner said: What are the authetic liveries out the pictures above please ?? If you read the thread then there is discussion of the prototypes, some good, some not so good but all based on reality. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted November 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) On 22/11/2019 at 21:55, Phil Parker said: Lager? in the 1930? carried in tank wagons? .... Seriously? Edited November 23, 2019 by phil-b259 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, phil-b259 said: Lager? in the 1930? carried in tank wagons? .... Seriously? Yes. https://hmrs.org.uk/photographs.html?private_owner=1270 jason Edited November 23, 2019 by Steamport Southport 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted November 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Yes. https://hmrs.org.uk/photographs.html?private_owner=1270 jason Wow, never thought proper Lager was brewed in the UK till after WW2. https://lager-frenzy.com/2010/03/15/cheap-and-cheerful-or-a-uk-lager-classic/ http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2012/08/grahams-golden-lager-skol-1933-1994.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Any update of when these are likely to come to fruition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 On 23/11/2019 at 22:58, phil-b259 said: Wow, never thought proper Lager was brewed in the UK till after WW2. https://lager-frenzy.com/2010/03/15/cheap-and-cheerful-or-a-uk-lager-classic/ http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2012/08/grahams-golden-lager-skol-1933-1994.html I am no expert on lager, but the LB&SCR hosted large advertisements for Tennent's Pilsner Beer. Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 Aside from the lack of discharge pipes that Clive has pointed out, are these a good representation of the real thing? I'm not up to speed on tank wagons. Looking "fantastic" is one thing, accuracy another. Would be nice to see some Shell/BP and Esso or Anglo American liveries if these are appropriate for this model. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 7 hours ago, 57xx said: Aside from the lack of discharge pipes that Clive has pointed out, are these a good representation of the real thing? I'm not up to speed on tank wagons. Looking "fantastic" is one thing, accuracy another. Que now for someone to make a OO version of the discharge pipes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 On 23/11/2019 at 22:58, phil-b259 said: Wow, never thought proper Lager was brewed in the UK till after WW2. https://lager-frenzy.com/2010/03/15/cheap-and-cheerful-or-a-uk-lager-classic/ http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2012/08/grahams-golden-lager-skol-1933-1994.html I've always understood that the first lager brewed in this country was produced by a brewery in Wrexham around the start of the 20th century. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 Wrexham Lager apparently started c1882 but had gone bankrupt twice by the mid-1890s. Experiments in lager brewing had been made in the 1830s in Edinburgh but propagation of the yeast was unsuccessful. Allsops lager which became Graham's Golden then Skol was I believe started in the early 20th century. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium it's-er Posted February 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2020 Just a couple of comments from Model Rail Scotland yesterday. One is that when placed alongside other tank wagons available to us rtr modellers, Oxford Rail's tank wagons are considerably smaller: that really stands out, so gives us a welcome new option on the tank wagon front. The other is that a BP liveried version may well be coming along ... great! John Storey 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 07/01/2020 at 21:41, flyingsignalman said: I've always understood that the first lager brewed in this country was produced by a brewery in Wrexham around the start of the 20th century. Funnily enough I've got a bottle of Wrexham Lager in the fridge. Not normally a lager drinker, but they had it at Llangollen last time I went, so bought a few. It says to the original 1882 recipe. It's certainly not "fizzy pop" more like a real ale. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthmh Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Quick Question if I can. How long did Petrol carrying Wagons have the Biege Colouring, and Did the Colour of the Tanks signify what was being carried? thanks Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Beige, and later silver or grey, signified 'class A' liquids i.e. petrol etc. .......... heavier fuels were 'class B' and carried in black tanks. Non-hazardous liquids could be carried in any ( other ) colour tank. Beige for 'class A' was superseded by grey during WW2 then by silver afterwards - though more recently ( 1970s ? ) this has changed to a pale grey. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: Beige, and later silver or grey, signified 'class A' liquids i.e. petrol etc. .......... heavier fuels were 'class B' and carried in black tanks. Non-hazardous liquids could be carried in any ( other ) colour tank. Beige for 'class A' was superseded by grey during WW2 then by silver afterwards - though more recently ( 1970s ? ) this has changed to a pale grey. I think pale grey may have started soon after the first of the modern designs, the ESSO 35t , arrived on the scene. Paul Barlett's site has an ex-works of one in silver, dated 1957, and a grey one with a re-paint date of 03/62. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Verth Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 There are pictures of an out of size round tank being hauled by a LNWR 0-6-0 the tank is part of a larger brewing plant manufactured in the USA and on route to Allsops Brewery pre WW1, Allsops went bankrupt in the 1920's, it was decided by the Official Receiver that the equipment and larger production be moved to Alloa, it was also renamed Graham's Golden Larger at this time, the larger was still packaged at Burton the wagons were used between Alloa and Burton, some loaded wagons worked to Southampton, for the larger to be packaged for the ocean liners. About 1960 the product was renamed Graham's Golden Skol Larger, then in a very short time after it became Skol Larger. Though not rail connected as far as I know the German brewer Holstein had a Brewery in the Wandsworth area of London pre WW1 it closed in the early 1920's due to anti German feelings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, Robin Verth said: There are pictures of an out of size round tank being hauled by a LNWR 0-6-0 the tank is part of a larger brewing plant manufactured in the USA and on route to Allsops Brewery pre WW1, Allsops went bankrupt in the 1920's, it was decided by the Official Receiver that the equipment and larger production be moved to Alloa, it was also renamed Graham's Golden Larger at this time, the larger was still packaged at Burton the wagons were used between Alloa and Burton, some loaded wagons worked to Southampton, for the larger to be packaged for the ocean liners. About 1960 the product was renamed Graham's Golden Skol Larger, then in a very short time after it became Skol Larger. Though not rail connected as far as I know the German brewer Holstein had a Brewery in the Wandsworth area of London pre WW1 it closed in the early 1920's due to anti German feelings. Clearly they didn't reallise how large the market for larger beers would become - largely because of heavy promotion by the larger brewery combines in the sixties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBSC123 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 25/06/2019 at 16:03, cctransuk said: You beat me to it ! I would be particularly interested to learn of any authentic liveries that can be applied to this model. I will, of course, produce transfer sheets for such liveries as can be positively identified, if the sources are quoted. Would Paul Bartlett be kind enough to comment? Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. https://www.cctrans.org.uk/products.htm They look to be the same type as the two 'Royal Daylight' tank wagons located on the isle of White, source: https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=153387&search=Lens+IOW&page=9 Hope that helps. Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, lbsc123 said: They look to be the same type as the two 'Royal Daylight' tank wagons located on the isle of White, source: https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=153387&search=Lens+IOW&page=9 Hope that helps. Will Will, Thank you - unfortunately, I only produce transfers for the BR period. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hamlin Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I see on the Hattons site that these are due in August 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Mark Hamlin said: I see on the Hattons site that these are due in August For your further information chaps: https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=857&utm_campaign=mar-365-oxfordrail12ttankwagons-segment&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJhcmNoaWUzNDA1OUBnbWFpbC5jb20iLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJKR1FlWGgifQ%3D%3D 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, MartinTrucks said: For your further information chaps: https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=857&utm_campaign=mar-365-oxfordrail12ttankwagons-segment&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJhcmNoaWUzNDA1OUBnbWFpbC5jb20iLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJKR1FlWGgifQ%3D%3D £18.50 each quoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, 26power said: £18.50 each quoted. Yes indeed! The RRP is £18.95 so not much of a reduction from Hattons. Rails are offering them on pre-order for £15.95. Oxford Rail themselves have posted on Facebook today 'Product update: OR76TK2001 and OR76TK2002 will be arriving shortly, and soon after will go out to our stockists. These wagons come with 3 link couplings in a pack inside the model for fitting by the customer if desired, please note these could affect the NEM coupling if used'. These are the Mobil and Carless versions. Martin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2020 These look promising and having three links in the pack is a nice touch. Looking at the Mobil version and wondering what the difference between this and the Bachmann models. This has a single logo but Bachmann have done both twin and single in this livery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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