RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted August 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 hour ago, LNER4479 said: Thanks Al - but the article is actually by Tom Dewdney's (LMS29 on here). A couple of the photos are mine. Oops, apologies to both, I saw your name under one of the photos I think and thought it was your article. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 7 hours ago, BoD said: A while ago I was on Carlisle Station, probably for one of the steam excursions, and there was a modeller complete with tape measure and note pad taking a whole series of measurements. He was last seen being escorted away from the platforms by an officer of the Transport Police. I hope he managed to convince them of his honourable intentions. Now that sounds like a vignette for LNER4479 to model. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 hours ago, aardvark said: Now that sounds like a vignette for LNER4479 to model. Would it be a self-portrait? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 minute ago, St Enodoc said: Would it be a self-portrait? Could be. KNP has a model of himself on Little Muddle. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2020 That was me but I wasn't being escorted away since I left by train back to Langwathby. When I enquired as to exactly what I was doing wrong, being on the station with a valid ticket they mumbled something about "should have asked us first". 2 1 4 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Michael Edge said: That was me but I wasn't being escorted away since I left by train back to Langwathby. When I enquired as to exactly what I was doing wrong, being on the station with a valid ticket they mumbled something about "should have asked us first". I can’t say when it actually was but it would possible have been a few years ago now. Memory plays tricks and it is always surprising how things you remember as recent are further back than you imagine. We did have an interesting chat about what you were doing. I’m glad to hear that you suffered no further ‘inconvenience’ because of your efforts. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Michael Edge said: When I enquired as to exactly what I was doing wrong, being on the station with a valid ticket In your usual diplomatic, tactful way no doubt... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Michael Edge said: That was me but I wasn't being escorted away since I left by train back to Langwathby. When I enquired as to exactly what I was doing wrong, being on the station with a valid ticket they mumbled something about "should have asked us first". Have the railway officials become more-officious in recent times, Mike? About 15 years ago, I was on a photographic assignment in Slough (motor homes and caravans can you believe? Ugh!!!). I was staying in an hotel in central Slough, and had an evening to kill, so went down to the station (which, as is well-known, is a beautiful GWR structure). Now, although I'd travelled several times on the main line, I'd never been on the Windsor & Eton branch. A pleasant evening in Windsor? I bought a day-return, and, as usual, had my camera with me. Whilst waiting for the train, I began taking pictures. Immediately, some bloke in a high-vis vest rushed up and informed me that what I was doing was illegal. I (respectfully) asked him 'Since when?' and told him I'd taken thousands of pictures of our home railways down the years' 'You need written permission'. 'From where?'. He didn't seem to know. 'If you carry on, the BTP will be called and you might lose your camera'. 'Or worse', I thought. Having no wish to be arrested, I expressed my 'disgust' and shoved my ticket in a waste bin. I've never been back to any part of Slough since, nor ever want to! Didn't John Betjeman want it bombed? Graham, you might know; is this still the case across the national network? I was in a public place (I assume stations are public places?), had a valid ticket to travel and was posing no risk to myself or anyone else. Regards, Tony. P.S. I've recently taken pictures at York, Newark and Grantham, without any problems. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: Graham, you might know; is this still the case across the national network? I was in a public place (I assume stations are public places?), had a valid ticket to travel and was posing no risk to myself or anyone else. You are - technically speaking - supposed to ask first (although I don't see any reference to 'written permission' ...): https://www.networkrail.co.uk/communities/railway-enthusiasts/guidelines-for-taking-photos-at-stations/ The majority of stations (including Slough) are leased to train operators, who may have their own 'rules' on top of those outlined in the above. Rules are of course forever 'for the guidance of wise men and the observance of fools'. Re the BT Police, whilst there's rarely any excuse for rudeness, they are an independent organisation and will always have security uppermost in their minds and will be 'locked into' whatever level of security alert the country is supposed to be under at any one time and probably briefed about all manner of things that an innocent (model) railway enthusiast has little or no comprehension of (terrorists have occasionally targeted railway stations in the past - not that I'm implying Mike is any sort of unsavoury character like that, I hasten to add). Well, you did ask! Perhaps we should beat a hasty retreat back to the modelling ... Edited August 13, 2020 by LNER4479 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) The policy is that all of Britain’s station operators welcome enthusiasts and photographers and have gone as far as publishing advice in a number of places. I am not sure if this applies in this year’s constrained situation. I have printed out a copy and keep it in the depths of the camera bag. https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_destinations/51952.aspx https://www.btp.police.uk/advice_and_information/safety_on_and_near_the_railway/rail_enthusiasts.aspx https://www.networkrail.co.uk/communities/railway-enthusiasts/guidelines-for-taking-photos-at-stations/ edit: post composed as previous posted. Apologies for diverting things away from the model. Edited August 13, 2020 by BoD 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2020 I should add that the police officer was perfectly polite and reasonable - it did delay our train departure a bit though. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2020 I was photographing the OLE on Cambridge station. One of the station staff came over and talked to me, she was slightly bemused I wasn't photographing trains but we got chatting and she said it was a pity one of her colleagues wasn't working that day as he too was interested in OLE and would have explained some of the unusual bits and bobs at Cambridge. Very nice lady. I walked up the platform just before catching the train to Norwich. Oh dear the chap at the other end started the threats of getting the police and such like. I did say I had a valid ticket and was soon to be getting on that train waiting over there. He carried on ranting, to which I said your colleague at the other end of the platform was very nice and helpful why couldn't you be like that? He gave me the goldfish look with that I got on the train. I had a good day taking more photos at Norwich, Yarmouth, Lowestoft , and Ipswich. 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2020 On 12/08/2020 at 12:32, LNER4479 said: That is indeed the name (spelling) of the current boat on the Heysham route, wot we sailed on last year. However, I'm led to understand that the former vessel modelled did have the anglicised name 'Ben Machree'. I think it (the model) still survives and I might have seen it at MOSI but not 100% sure on that. If so, may I politely suggest the model is in error? As far as I am aware all six Ben-my-Chree's were named as so. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, New Haven Neil said: If so, may I politely suggest the model is in error? As far as I am aware all six Ben-my-Chree's were named as so. Were they sister ships of Ben-Ne-Vis? Mike. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) Or download this onto your mobile and play full blast next time the police "harrass" you !! Brit 15 Edited August 13, 2020 by APOLLO 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nova Scotian Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2020 55 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: I had a good day ... at Norwich, Yarmouth, Lowestoft , and Ipswich. No-one has a good day at Great Yarmouth or Lowestoft - this throws your entire story into doubt 1 1 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, New Haven Neil said: If so, may I politely suggest the model is in error? As far as I am aware all six Ben-my-Chree's were named as so. Not at all - you may well be right. But if we build a model of the model, then it would be 'correct' to perpetuate whatever name the model was actually adorned with - even if it's incorrect? Oh dear! Mind you, it'll be so damn small you won't be able to see the name anyway ... You may be interested to note this reference to one of the former vessels and its 'incorrect' name reference ... https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/1908-07-28/debates/e00b1674-984d-420f-bcdd-82dca5d96691/IsleOfManExcursionSteamers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2020 And we all know that Parliament has a good record of ensuring railway names in non English spellings are correctly recorded. One F or two Ffestiniog. Paul. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) Photography - provided you aren't photographing the CCTV cameras or the cash office fire door you should be ok but expect to be challenged. TOC staff should challenge you unless it's blindingly obvious you are spotting, especially after Manchester Arena. Although it is a public place a railway station is private land so you have the right to do whatever the occupier (TOC) invites you or permits you to do. Ben Macree - if the model was wrong then the model of the model should be wrong too, otherwise it would be wrong even though it's right :-) Edited August 13, 2020 by Wheatley 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted August 13, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, APOLLO said: Brit 15 Indeed. Give a man a badge and all that. ANYHOW In a desperate attempt to get back to the cosy world of modelling ... The station trainshed board is now fully supported on the three sets of legs, the nearest set carefully positioned so as to also provide support for the station throat board at the point where they join, this in case we ever actually pull off the mad-cap scheme to take this out on the road. In particular, what lies beneath is a girt big chunk of 18mm chipboard wot I had lying about which will henceforth serve in the office of a rather stout shelf. Although just positioned for the camera for now, the idea is to develop this as a comprehensive racking arrangement for locos which are 'off scene' until their next allocated working. Oh, go on then - here's a close up. All locos from the previous Gowhole layout 'stud' and a bit of an eclectic mix from up to 30 years ago. L-R: - out of the box Bachmann weathered 'Crab' 2-6-0, nothing yet done to it - scratchbuilt (not by me) 8F, re-heeled with a Comet chassis (by me) and towing a Mainline Fowler tender - out of the box Bachmann Ivatt 2-6-2T. Handy for the S&C Hawes service which they seemed to take their turn on - Wrenn (yes, really!) 8F, fitted with a few extra details and tender pick-ups - Hornby tender-drive 4F, with added detail. Can't have too many 4Fs (and 8Fs) on my 1950s LMR scheme - scratchbuilt (not by me) Black 5 (can't have too many of them either). Bit fragile these days and an old X04 motor but hopefully it can continue to run. I did repaint and line it as a Kingmoor loco. - Mainline Royal Scot, originally started out as a 6100 in preserved Crimson Lake. Rebodied with a rather pasty green replacements, detailed and heavily-weathered. Renumbered as a Holbeck stalwart and always used to run nicely even as an old split chassis loco. - Mainline Dub-dee, some extra detailing. Super runner. Just a little taster for now; good to see some of them again after several years hidden away. Only one namer in that lot, note. There is however rather more of the glamorous stuff in the Shap stock boxes. More soon, all being well. Edited August 13, 2020 by LNER4479 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted August 29, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) And now the real job of restoration begins ... One of the first issues to be tackled is one of tracks going across baseboard joins - this on the basis that we might one day take this out on the road(!). The worst case is the single slip marked. It ended up sitting right over the join with the goods yard board. It came out of the old location attached (just) thus but got knocked, somewhat inevitably. Here is the corresponding goods yard board. Having marked it in situ, you can see here where I've cut and removed the cork which now shows how the new join will be configured. This in turn required removal of the piece of 2 x 1 beneath - fortunately I hadn't glued it! And a bit of careful work with the coping saw (one of the best tools in the box) - how folks 'cope' without one, I'll never know ... (I know - stick to the day job). Anyhow,, the somewhat odd shaped piece now needs to be grafted on to the other board ... Like so! Hopefully you can see how it's fitted in and how, henceforth, the baseboard join will be configured somewhat more logically. So now it's time to remove track and the perished ballast underlay. Track can be re-used - but not the ballast! This also requires unsoldering of some wires and careful removal of point actuating rods. So now replacement 3mm cork underlay. You can see here more clearly the various point linkages. The idea is to replace just two point length's at a time, using the track either side as reference to maintain the alignment. Just look at the state of the ballast on the scissors formation below! More collateral damage. If you look carefully, this crossover didn't quite coincide with the baseboard join either and I've already done some work top left to shove it back two sleepers by cutting slightly into the adjacent single slip. Repaired! And fit for further use. All refitted! And painted (sprayed) as well. So this is the first test piece if you like, through which I've proved to myself this can be done without major difficulty. What I can't show you through a photo like this is the rather pleasant discovery that when I reconnected a 16v AC power supply to the existing point electrics, they all fired up without any difficulty. Every one. Without any problem at all. And no CDU involved either (good 'ol H&M clipper providing the 'umph'). Some of these points - well, quite a few of them actually - are one motor powering two points, configured as a crossover, with a mechanical linkage (beneath the boards) . What was really useful was that I was actually able to use the point motor firing to centralise the position of the points. And when I did so, the track pin went straight back down the 'ole I'd previously removed it from! Onwards and upwards Edited August 29, 2020 by LNER4479 21 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrock Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Great to see another update, I’m checking every day at the moment for the latest instalment! One question on your restoration, are you doing anything specifically to clean the rails in order to get good electrical continuity and reliable running for the future? If so, what method are you using? Thanks. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 Thanks. For now, I'm just giving the rails a good clean up with the good 'ol Peco track rubber. They've not been cleaned for 15 years so they're just generally 'mucky'. Plus the spraying of the rails n sleepers needs cleaning off any way. Once we get into regular running again then I might try some of the other methods championed on here, including the graphite treatment Mike Edge swears by. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted August 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 31, 2020 Throw the Peco rubber away and use some a bit less aggressive - you will be making deep grooves in your railhead with it. Pre-graphite I only used 1200 grade wet and dry to clean the railhead (with many complaints from the rest of the team) but the result was that it gradually got polished rather than scratched and improved over the years. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted August 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 31, 2020 Yes that fine wet and dry worked well..took ages to get your fingers clean and new skin to grow back on your finger tips though Baz 1 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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