B15nac Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Hi I'm after a bit of help I won this crane on a auction site recently and I was wondering if anyone could identify what type it is or if it's kit or scratch built here's some pictures Kind regards Neil 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted November 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2017 Hi I'm after a bit of help I won this crane on a auction site recently and I was wondering if anyone could identify what type it is or if it's kit or scratch built here's some pictures Kind regards Neil GWR (No.1)? Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Bits of it are very reminiscent of the D & S 15 ton crane kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2017 Hi Neil Wow what a nice model. It looks like a Cowans Sheldon 30 ton. I am not aware of a kit and it isn't RTR. I think you have a scratchbuilt model. It looks like one of the batch built for the LMS. I have just had a quick look on google for images but all I could find were the similar diesel powered batch built for BR. Peter Tatlow wrote an article in BRM about these cranes, and done a lovely drawing. In his two volume book on railway breakdown cranes he includes this batch. This is my model based on Peter Tatlow's drawings. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Have a nose in here http://www.bdca.org.uk/index.html jib end looks wrong for a Ransom & Rapier, there are 2 large books on Breakdown cranes and the Brownlie bible. Ian G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 Thanks for your help I would say your right an that it's a Cowans Sheldon 30 ton crane which isn't ideal for me as I was hoping it was something I could use on my (WR)layout I don't think they had any 30ton cranes did they? it is very nicely made though an is all brass by the looks of it Regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 The model looks like a Cowans Sheldon 30 ton crane built for the LMS in 1940 The WR acquired two Cowan Sheldon 30 ton 5 axle cranes in 1960 which were based at Newbury and Banbury. They were numbered 139 and 140. GWR No 1 was built by Stothert and Pitt of Bath in 1909. All above from John S Brownlie's book. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 Thanks you so they did end up with two of them! I wonder what match trucks They had when on the western region? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2017 Thanks you so they did end up with two of them! I wonder what match trucks They had when on the western region? I think they would have retained their 6 wheeled ones that were built for them. I cannot recall Tatlow mentioning any getting new match trucks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 The match truck shown in the photo in Brownlie's book is of the bogie variety, referred to as "the ex Midland runner of this period". Fig 54. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 The model looks like a Cowans Sheldon 30 ton crane built for the LMS in 1940 The WR acquired two Cowan Sheldon 30 ton 5 axle cranes in 1960 which were based at Newbury and Banbury. They were numbered 139 and 140. GWR No 1 was built by Stothert and Pitt of Bath in 1909. The two "acquired" by the WR in 1960 were new and with welded jibs from the same family as the contemporary 75 Ton cranes. They were not part of the 1940 LMS batch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted November 24, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2017 We have a kit built one in from one of our late members on the SVR stand tomorrow if anyone is interested in buying one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted November 24, 2017 Author Share Posted November 24, 2017 Here's the match truck that came with it not sure if it's correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 24, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2017 Here's the match truck that came with it not sure if it's correct The match truck looks GWR, the LMS ones had a handwheel to operate the brakes not a Dean-Churchward lever. There were two designs of bolster, some of the cranes had articulated jibs and there match wagons had a fixed cradle for the jibs. The early built cranes had a fixed jib and to allow movement the bolster had rollers on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 We have a kit built one in from one of our late members on the SVR stand tomorrow if anyone is interested in buying one? I would like to see a couple of pictures if possible. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 It looks to me like a heavily modified Hornby Dublo crane, the Jib and the front end of main turntable and rigid section of the frames look like H/D with fabricated rear end and bogie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted November 24, 2017 Author Share Posted November 24, 2017 It's all made of brass so I think it must be scratch built Kind regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 Does anyone know what sort of makers plates or information plates would Be on this crane? I can't seem to find anything out Kind regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Does anyone know what sort of makers plates or information plates would Be on this crane? I can't seem to find anything out Kind regards Neil There would usually be a builder's plate giving the builder's details, number and date. There would also be a quite large plate defining the lifting capacites, both propped and unpropped, at various jib radii. Somewhere on the jib, witin sight of the driver, would be an indicator (operated by a plumbob type thingy) to tell him the capacity at the particular working radius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craneman Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) This is a model (actually quite a good one too) of one of the batch of eight 30-ton cranes built by Cowans Sheldon of Carlisle for the LMS and MoS in the period from 1941 to 1944. The first crane, RS1066/30, was supplied to the LMS in 1941 and after a period of testing and assessment a further five were ordered and came into service between mid-'43 and early '44. These five were numbered RS1072/30 through to RS1076/30. In 1940 a further pair was built to a the Ministry of Supply order for military use. The six-wheel jib runners for the LMS cranes were built at Wolverton to diagram 2081. RS1072/30 was transferred to the ER in 1956, the other five remained with the LMS or BR(M) throughout their lives. Of the LMS cranes, the first to be withdrawn was RS1076/30 in July 1969, followed by RS1072/30, damaged after an overload, in Jan 1973. Last to go was RS1075/30, cut up in Nov 1986. One of the two ex-MoS was shipeed to Marchwood in '44, then went overseas in June '45 and ended up on the OBB in Austria. It was preserved at Strasshof in 1998. The other similarly went overseas but was repatriated and used at Longmoor from '55 to '65, then moved to Shoeburyness where it was converted to diesel, and has subsequently been scrapped. There has never been a kit of these cranes produced, so the model must be scratchbuilt. Although there are some minor errors visible in the photgraphs, it looks to be a fine model which captures the prototype very well. It is not possible to tell (at least not from the photos) whether it is a model of a specific crane, since they were all remarkably similar, but the jib runner identifies it as an an LMS crane not an MoS crane. Chapter 6 of Volume 2 of Peter Tatlow's "Railway Breakdown Cranes" covers these cranes in detail and has many photographs. Edited December 1, 2017 by craneman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted December 1, 2017 Author Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Thank you for all your replies with information an help it's much appreciated an now I no there is no real connection between this crane an the GWR or WR I think I will sell it an search for somethink a little more western. I'm not sure what it's worth to be fair so it may end up on a auction site Kind regards Neil Edited December 1, 2017 by B15nac Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craneman Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I'd appreciate a heads-up if you did decide to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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