coachmann Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 What a charmed class seeing as four of the eight built have been preserved. Based on the LBSC Terrior, but with cost-cutting reducing their tractive effort to around 70% of that of the Terrior, they were unable to tackle their intended duties and ended up shunting. Still, railway enthusiasm isn't about success locos or otherwise. The collectors in all their guises will snap them up, especially as their manufacturing brand is a guarantee of a down to earth design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Is the SE&CR now the best supported pre grouping railway? Just a thought Still beaten by the LSWR with: B4 Well Tank O2 M7 Adams 415 Radial 700 class T9 (May be an N15 on top) Vs P class C class H class Could do with an express like a D class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Warrior Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Disappointed that it is not the Midland Kirtley 2-4-0, but something to look forward to for the future! Meanwhile another one fo the "Bluebell Collection!" Hopefully Hornby will produce the H Class: 263 as preserved and the D Class will be added to the NRM collection. The O1 would be the icing on the cake! The Bachmann Bird Cage Coaches are nearly with us so what a line up and all in pre-grouping livery. Who would have even dreamt of this 10 years ago! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Split chassis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Still beaten by the LSWR with: B4 Well Tank O2 M7 Adams 415 Radial 700 class T9 (May be an N15 on top) Vs P class C class H class Could do with an express like a D class. Still lagging behind others as well, apart from the rather fine Birdcages it's the carriages we are lacking. GWR? Quite a lot available. Midland? Compound, 3F, 1P, Brake vans GNR? Single, Atlantic. N2, J52, A1 GCR? O4 2-8-0, J11, D11 LBSC? E4, Atlantic, Terrier, Brake van Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2017 NBR. 1. J87 Caledonian 2. a pug and the 1960s vintage 4-2-2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn-on-the-platform Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Really good news. Well done Hattons! 178 and 323 in current liveries have roved around the country in recent years so easily justifiable for many. Bluebell blue looks so very good with almost any livery of rolling stock. I had stopped saying which newly announced models I would be in the market for, as in my opinion it doesn't add much to conversatilon, but with so much negativity around new releases I thought I would show my enthusiasm! I'll be preordering SECR 178 and Blue 323 and can see myself being tempted by black 27 or the BR examples once they arrive. I felt the P class was on its way but didn't expect it to be so close to the H and birdcages. We really are being spoilt rotten! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 The P class may have been a small one, with only eight locos, but there were a multitude of liveries worn over their long lives, as well as the previously mentioned four of the eight being preserved, so hopefully a lucrative and successful choice for Hattons.I have already pre-ordered two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just ordered 6 - I wonder if DCC sound conversion will be easy on this tiny loco? Also can Hattons please advise the detail differences between each loco. (Which chimney, which cab etc....). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Is the SE&CR now the best supported pre grouping railway? Just a thought Still beaten by the LSWR with:B4, Well Tank, O2. M7, Adams 415 Radial, 700 class, T9 Still lagging behind others as well, apart from the rather fine Birdcages it's the carriages we are lacking. GWR? Quite a lot available. Dean Goods, CoT, Star, 1361, 28xx, 42xx, 43xx, 45xx, 47xx Midland? Compound, 3F, 1P, Brake vans + 2P 4F, 3FT, 1FT GNR? Single, Atlantic. N2, J52, A1 + J50, O2 GCR? O4 2-8-0, J11, D11 LBSC? E4, Atlantic, Terrier, Brake van So, on locomotives it looks like GWR followed by a (surprising) 3 way tie with seven apiece... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Still lagging behind others as well, apart from the rather fine Birdcages it's the carriages we are lacking. GWR? Quite a lot available. Midland? Compound, 3F, 1P, Brake vans GNR? Single, Atlantic. N2, J52, A1 GCR? O4 2-8-0, J11, D11 LBSC? E4, Atlantic, Terrier, Brake van Jason No mention of NER? Typical... GCR, GNR, these were not a patch on the domain further north. Hope those who like the Southern area are pleased (indeed many are), but its yet another small engine commission that's mopping up the engine allocation of further south. Its a popular choice and in demand, much like the other Industrial tank announced. Clever choices from Hattons... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tetsudofan Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2017 I am sure Olivia's will deliver a project that Hattons are happy with. Yes, maybe, but will we be happy with it? Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Blimey! I had forgotten about half of those. Seems we aren't quite as bad off for "pre grouping" designs as I expected. Although some might argue many aren't suitable for pre 1923 as they are often later versions. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2017 I am very pleased to see the announcement for these locos. I have pre-ordered SECR 178 and Bluebell 323; they will go very nicely with my C-class and pre-ordered H-class. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 No mention of NER? Typical... GCR, GNR, these were not a patch on the domain further north. Hope those who like the Southern area are pleased (indeed many are), but its yet another small engine commission that's mopping up the engine allocation of further south. Its a popular choice and in demand, much like the other Industrial tank announced. Clever choices from Hattons... I thought there was only a Q6 and J72 available. I was trying to only post railways that had more items available than the SECR. I also left out the L&Y, LNWR and others, and totally ignored obsolete models like the SECR R1 and LBSC E2. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted September 11, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just ordered 6 - I wonder if DCC sound conversion will be easy on this tiny loco? Also can Hattons please advise the detail differences between each loco. (Which chimney, which cab etc....). Hi JSpencer, I've just added a breakdown of features present on each version in the original post on this thread. Hope that answers your question. Cheers, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Warrior Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 No mention of NER? Typical... GCR, GNR, these were not a patch on the domain further north. Hope those who like the Southern area are pleased (indeed many are), but its yet another small engine commission that's mopping up the engine allocation of further south. Its a popular choice and in demand, much like the other Industrial tank announced. Clever choices from Hattons... NER: Q6 & J72, that is two more than any of the Scottish Companies! At least there is a CR liveried Andrew Barclay in the Hatton's offering. Was this loco ever owned by the CR? By the way pre-grouping offerings for the GWR include: Dean Goods, City, Star, 28XX, 43XX, 45XX, 47XX, 42XX, Dean Pannier plus the rearranging of pre-grouping bits know as the "Dukedog!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2017 NER: Q6 & J72, that is two more than any of the Scottish Companies! At least there is a CR liveried Andrew Barclay in the Hatton's offering. Was this loco ever owned by the CR? By the way pre-grouping offerings for the GWR include: Dean Goods, City, Star, 28XX, 43XX, 45XX, 47XX, 42XX, Dean Pannier plus the rearranging of pre-grouping bits know as the "Dukedog!" I think it's as preserved , not an actual CR loco. Not sure if I'll go for that or another version . It's a shame, it seems everyone likes blue locos and there's a famous company with a blue livery , yet......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 It's on the current Caledonian Railway at Brechin. So as correct to carry that livery as a P class in Bluebell livery. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium pete_mcfarlane Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2017 P class C class H class Could do with an express like a D class. You can add to that Bachmann's N class, Hornby's model of the SECR Terrier, and the ancient Hornby-Dublo/Wrenn R1. I'm surprised there isn't a mode of the D, but I suspect a NRM special edition of the preserved number 737 is an inevitability at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2017 I think it's as preserved , not an actual CR loco. Not sure if I'll go for that or another version . It's a shame, it seems everyone likes blue locos and there's a famous company with a blue livery , yet......... Yes, it was at the Cupar Sugar beet factory, but was preserved at Brechin. In the 1990s it was in a green livery, but in the early 2000s was repainted into full CR blue livery, which it carried until 2011 when it went into a plain black CR livery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) RTR is for the masses so it makes sense to go for popular heritage locos, especially when they carried pretty colours. It wouldn't surprise me to see Aerolite before we get a GWR 'Manor'.....for example. Edited September 11, 2017 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2017 Very good news. I am very much hoping that one or both of the 2 "as preserved" examples in the fully lined Wainwright livery will prove suitable for representing the locos as originally in service. If so, 3 locos from a release in pre-grouping livery is a welcome first, indeed, it is positively overwhelming, in a good way. I gather it is being 'manufactured' by the commissioner - like the Kernow GW Steam Railmotor? - an interesting, and I hope, positive, development. I also welcome another small industrial in the form of the Andrew Barclay, which, though out of period for me, I think is a great move for the hobby. Both releases are sure to be popular. I wish these projects well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Excellent announcement! I think I'll need two (323 and 178). Do we know how the manufacturer is? Given the insulated wheel bushes, it looks very Bachmann, especially given their announcement a few weeks back that they are now working on external contracts. But no mention in Hattons announcement. Subcontract with Kader direct? Would be nice to know in terms of what to expect mechanically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Very good news. I am very much hoping that one or both of the 2 "as preserved" examples in the fully lined Wainwright livery will prove suitable for representing the locos as originally in service. If so, 3 locos from a release in pre-grouping livery is a welcome first, indeed, it is positively overwhelming, in a good way. I gather it is being 'manufactured' by the commissioner - like the Kernow GW Steam Railmotor? - an interesting, and I hope, positive, development. I also welcome another small industrial in the form of the Andrew Barclay, which, though out of period for me, I think is a great move for the hobby. Both releases are sure to be popular. I wish these projects well. Going OT, I thought the Railcar was Kernow/DJM (though that may have changed since I suppose). Back on topic, Hattons have their delightful Warwells and Snowploughs being strictly between them and the chosen factory. So I guess some small tank locos are the next steps up. I have order all three SECR ones, will look good next to C class and N class I already own with H to follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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