fezza Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Why are sidings sometimes permanently disconnected before rolling stock is removed? There is a good case at Ancaster where a reasonably solid looking brake van was left in a siding disconnected from the main line. Are NR not required to remove stock before lifting connections? It seems very odd as it is surely very hard to recover stock thereafter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted August 24, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) If its been sitting there for years its probably not going to be removable by rail anyway, so if NR don't want the land for anything else and do want to stop having to maintain the turnout it stays. Edited August 24, 2017 by Reorte Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 If it hasnt been maintained & serviced it wont be fit to run. Possibly also left there originally with a defect. In some cases the owner of the stock may not be known or in some cases there is no owner, the stock in question having been missed when similar items were transferred to one of the new companies. Or it was transferred but the new owner isnt aware of it, or the owner may have gone bust and as an asset it wasnt worth recovery. by a receiver, there could be many reasons. Ownership of various rolling stock items was in a state on confusion after privatisation, I am sure many were just missed. I am also aware of some items sold or scrapped by operators which lately turned out to be on someone elses books. Network Rail wont normally remove abandoned items, this costs money, if they are in the way they will likely be removed, if not they will probably remain where they are. I am aware of an ex railway site redeveloped for offices, this was acquired complete with trackwork and an abandoned Tank Wagon, the developer having to clear these. Pete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 A very good prospect for model railways. All too often we tend to model well used lines and features such as this are often overlooked as are weeds in our immaculately groomed main line track. One has only to look at the real thing in a lot of places for inspiration, Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 On the Sutton Park line there are still a pair of ZCAs marooned on a short length of isolated track, with trees growing through them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted August 24, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2017 Simple answer: Stock abandonded on a siding does not belong to NR. Strictly they cannot remove it without informing the owners (if known) and in principle getting agreement, The best they can do is inform the owner or perhaps a series of companies who might be a likely owner, that if the item is not moved it will be cut off from the rest of the system on a specified date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted August 24, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2017 On the Sutton Park line there are still a pair of ZCAs marooned on a short length of isolated track, with trees growing through them! Likewise a pair of Sealion/Seacow near the site of Burnden Jn at Bolton. They used to very visible on Google Earth, but not quite as much now. Dead centre on this: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5678881,-2.4197943,62m/data=!3m1!1e3 Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted August 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) I'm pretty sure they are gone now mick, removed when they started the electrification work, I've certainly not spotted them in the last 12 months, in fact the bolton bound loop has gone too! They were stuff of legend when I was doing my driver training in Bolton back in 2001 Edited August 24, 2017 by big jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted August 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) There was a solitary 4 wheel drop side wagon in helsby, it may well still be there, not done a day time trip over there for a while Also cockchute sidings in stoke is host to what I think is a SPA type wagon and longport up side has another 4 wheel hopper rotting away in the bushes, I have pics of both that if I can find will add to the thread EDIT: piccies found Longport Cockshute Edited August 24, 2017 by big jim 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted August 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2017 When the scrap contractors were lifting the old Down Yard at Stechford in the late 1960s there were still some wagons at the stop blocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharrc20 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 There is a RIV open plate 2-axle type wagon in the remains of the sidings at Northwich yard adjacent to the freight line and loop. The siding has also been home to two JEA limestone hoppers and an ex-coal HTA hopper for the past couple of months. Less obvious in amongst the trees on the other side of the main lines is a Grampus wagon. Ah the Bolton Two a shame if they have gone now. Did someone manage to save them from the scrappers? Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 One of the sidings there is even older than the wagons having NSR chairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 One of the sidings there is even older than the wagons having NSR chairs. This wagon, and another, had been used by Pooley's, the weighbridge suppliers, to carry test weights. They were already abandoned in these sidings (known as Pinnock Jct, IIRC) when I worked at Longport Yard in 1980. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 It just seems odd in these days where there are environmental rules about everything that operators can abandon scrap or non operational stock in this way. I get the point about confusion over ownership but wouldn't ownership details be on the TOPS database or something similar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted August 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) With several of the companies who had licenses being absorbed or going bust it has left wagons with no owner and no value as they would cost more to certify than their scrap value. We had 5 ex channel tunnel wagons dumped up the east yard headshunt for a couple of years after being stopped because control identified they were being moved without a valid certificate from Eastleigh. The company subsequently went bust and they sat blocking the headshunt which we used fairly frequently for charters shunt moves. It took us ages to get them removed as they were in a 'network siding' all operators are allowed to use. We had to prove an operational need for the siding and that they didn't have an owner to make the business case for the cost of removal. A crane and five lorries were needed as they couldn't be removed on rail due to no certificate. If they are on isolated track no ones going to be interested in removing them as they aren't in anyone's way until a project needs the land. Edited August 25, 2017 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 It just seems odd in these days where there are environmental rules about everything that operators can abandon scrap or non operational stock in this way. I get the point about confusion over ownership but wouldn't ownership details be on the TOPS database or something similar? The probabilities are that the original operator has disappeared, anyone who remembers the vehicles and their location has died/moved/retired, and they may never have made it onto TOPS in the first place. It's not something that applies just to railways; any self-respecting farm will have a corner full of derelict equipment which might come in handy one day (if only they could find a Shire horse), likewise construction firms will have equipment that was written-down against the cost of a particular project, brought back to the yard, and forgotten about. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 Interesting replies - many thanks. I suppose assets from defunct companies should pass into hands of administrators / liquidators but it is easy to see how these things get missed off asset registers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 25, 2017 There is a southern brake van in the disconnected down refuge at Manea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted August 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 25, 2017 Last time I looked the lowland that was propelled over the stop blocks at Tavi Junction yards was still sitting in the undergrowth gently mouldering away, I think that was way back in the '80s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) I believe there is a thread of a similar vein elsewhere on the forum, it was believed that a pair of Cartic-4 style rakes still existed on a severed siding in Dagenham. Edited August 25, 2017 by Wild Boar Fell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 They are just waiting there until a single middle aged man wins the Euromillions and has them and 50 or so classic cars restored to sit on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) There was a well wagon at New Cross Gate for decades which only finally went when the East London Line extension works went in. Are the BR Blue Mk1 GUV and CCT vans still lurking at Oxford Station still? Edited August 25, 2017 by John M Upton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted August 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 25, 2017 And theres also the Shenfield Shark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted August 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 25, 2017 It's the ghost fleet of wagons....what's hiding in the bushes at Healey Mills, Great Rocks Dale, Slough, Fort William....? Dava 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 25, 2017 There is this old Mk1 CCT at Three Bridges: Ex British Railways Mk 1 CCT Internal User Van 083602 (Formerly M94494) - Three Bridges Station 18/5/15 by John Upton, on Flickr I used to think it was grounded but in fact it is still sitting on its running gear in the old goods bay on an isolated section of track and has been there for as long as I can remember. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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