Il Grifone Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Hi Garry, Can't you just cover the wheels with masking tape? Or just push out the axles? It only takes a few seconds. The longest part of the job (apart from finding a suitable rod/spare axle*) is deciding which is the wheel that is loose on the axle to push from the right side. * Organised people have their tools all neatly stored away and can find it at once of course! (I try... but ) From what I remember of the real thing, their wheels were usually pretty mucky. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Something is jarring about the driving wheels on the Pacifics . It can't be the form - they're Boxpok. I think it's the lightish grey. Would painting them into a darker colour work? They're not Boxpok wheels, they're Bulleid Firth Brown. Different construction method in that Boxpok are made up from box sections (hence the name) whereas BFBs are a single casting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Hi Garry, Can't you just cover the wheels with masking tape? Or just push out the axles? It only takes a few seconds. The longest part of the job (apart from finding a suitable rod/spare axle*) is deciding which is the wheel that is loose on the axle to push from the right side. * Organised people have their tools all neatly stored away and can find it at once of course! (I try... but ) From what I remember of the real thing, their wheels were usually pretty mucky. David Hi David, Masking is a pain in the rear on tender chassis's etc and I have had to make up card with cut outs for the axles so the whole bottom party of the wheel is covered. I agree pushing out the wheels is the easiest but for a respray I will wait until I have the replacement ones. As for tools, I am always looking for mine as I must be the untidiest person going lol. Even around the lathe I have to step over things. I need a good clear out, especially all the N gauge (layout in the garage/workshop stock and rest of layout in the loft) and a lot of Dublo as I need the space for the TT. I am picking up a nice little collection on Tuesday with about 12 locos in it possibly included is possibly a GEM Royal Scot and a BEC J11. Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I collected my recent win today and some nice surprises in it. A signal gantry that was not seen in the photos, it has got a little dirty and possibly yellowed and one base snapped but still not easy to come by and a welcome item. A wagon surprise is a green 5 plank open one, there is also a more redder one which I don't know if it is unusual. I knew a Pullman was in the lot but not two as one had a standard roof fitted. There is also a square window suburban, in maroon unfortunately. Loco wise there is a Royal Scot with open spoked wheels (and with another Ebay win that came today that is 3 all with open wheels and a few months ago I did not have one). A Gem King with separate handrails fitted, just needs a repaint. A nice 57xx which looks fine and a BEC J11 that needs a repaint, The other Tri-ang locos are standard. A lovely DMU body, pity I lost the other job lot it may have had its chassis. The maroon 4 wheeler is a Kitmaster cut down coach with a motor in which uses an elastic band drive, it will be interesting to see how that runs. Garry 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted May 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2018 Good set of wins ! I think the photo background of a cooker glass hob might suggest a melt down in the wrong hands !! have fun and I look forward to seeing results ! Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) Garry That's a good haul! 'Envy' button again.... It looks like it includes (the remains of) an SNCF tender. There have been several of these on eBay recently, but no locomotives AFAIK. My experience of elastic band drives is 'not impressed'. My Athearn Budd railcar is not too bad. but replacing the bands is a problem. I ordered some from the States (when you could still do this without needing a mortgage for the postal charges!)' but the first set of 4 have already perished. Possibly some 'Walkman' belts are the answer, but cassette drives are getting difficult to find spares for. My cassette deck has a drive belt supplied by the Post Office, as I can't find the right one. We have lost some important High Street shops of late 'Tandy', 'Modelzone' and now 'Maplin'. (It's not only vintage trains.... My daughter is very scathing about my addiction to vinyl and cassettes and the music that goes with them!) Gabbling on off topic again.... David Edited May 2, 2018 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) Hi Robert, It was all one win as a job lot collection. A mint boxed signal gantry and a mint green wagon sold on Ebay recently with a combined price for more than I paid for all this lot. No worries about the hob, it was stone cold by the time I got back from picking it all up in Stratford upon Avon. I did take a suitcase to put it all in. Hi David, Correct, it is the SNCF tender but without its top. I did get a mint boxed pair last year for under a tenner the pair with the view to using the chassis for a King Arthur tender but will keep those and use this one instead. As you say the locos are not often seen on Ebay, but, there was the loco in the job lot I missed out on. There were only two lots the other included 2 boxed prairies, two boxed A1A's, the SNCF loco, a dirty 3 car DMU, couple of Jinty's about 10 wagons and few less coaches. I got the best lot as I wanted the one with the kit locos not knowing about some of the other goodies. The Peco wagons will stay as they are but most of the others (not all obviously) will be used for the Litho prints ones I have done with some more variatians hopefully. There are some Dublo ones on Ebay and I have bought 6 to see if they can be scaled down and used on the Tri-ang chassis's. Some of the Bolster wagons are rough but they all have underframes that can be used on my good ones that have theirs missing. Garry Edited May 2, 2018 by Golden Fleece 30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Hi Garry. We're wasting time on RMweb together! Did you see my edit on bat out of hell belt drives, which I added as you were posting? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) Hi David, Your edited post must have gone on the same time as mine as I did not see it before coming out, I am in Tesco having a tea while Jackie is shopping. I miss Tandy but did not know Maplins was going! The belt drive is home made I guess, there is some emery cloth glued to an axle, for grip I imagine, but will only need a very short elastic band for now. The model is something I will keep from its novelty but not what I would have made. I will see if I can get into it tonight. I think the band is what keeps the wheels in as at the moment they just drop out. The chassis is two Tri-ang ones cut up. The owner was probably thinking of the Park Royal type rail bus. Music wise our little 6 year old has grown up with 50's and 60's music so it is normal for her lol Garry Edited May 2, 2018 by Golden Fleece 30 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Here are the Kings Cross Royal Scot nameplates which arrived today. After cutting out the M/N's I am hoping these will be easier. There are 5 sets of plates but at the moment I have 3 unrebuilt Gem Scots and 1 unmade Kitmaster to do so a spare set just in case. Apart from 46109 I have not made my mind up about what names to use on which locos, 46109 is already painted and numbered in BR green. Also the start of renaming some Britannias is on the go but I don't think I will be repainting these. The quality of etching for these plates is superb. Garry 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 After a couple of minutes in the Caustic Soda this is what the two Royal Scots and the King looks like. You can tell which body was of soldered construction. The other two will be soldered soon. Previously I had been trying to put individual 1mm transfers on the smokebox's which was a pain so I thought about getting some printed. Here is a set I had done, which maybe could have been larger but I will see how one or two look. These are on self adhesive paper and should be fine after varnishing. I also tried some Hornby Dublo neverwazza overlays from Ebay. Unlike the Merco ones these do not have any wrap around as they were intended for a corner to corner join. I thought it better to have a wrap around so painted matt black on each end before scanning then getting printed hopefully in TT scale to fit the Tri-ang chassis. Garry 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 A couple of tests using the smokebox numbers. Not quite as I had hoped but better than nothing and at £1 for all them I cannot complain. Just need to try to get around the edges. Garry 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Hi David, Your edited post must have gone on the same time as mine as I did not see it before coming out, I am in Tesco having a tea while Jackie is shopping. I miss Tandy but did not know Maplins was going! The belt drive is home made I guess, there is some emery cloth glued to an axle, for grip I imagine, but will only need a very short elastic band for now. The model is something I will keep from its novelty but not what I would have made. I will see if I can get into it tonight. I think the band is what keeps the wheels in as at the moment they just drop out. The chassis is two Tri-ang ones cut up. The owner was probably thinking of the Park Royal type rail bus. Music wise our little 6 year old has grown up with 50's and 60's music so it is normal for her lol Garry Hi Garry, Yes Maplins went into recevership about the same time as Toys-R-Us. Some useful discounts - there aren't any gold plated 5 pin DIN plugs* left locally and I got a couple of sheets of PC board. Most things were still dearer with the discount than they cost elsewhere! It's normal for the band to hold the wheels in. It would be a real pain to replace otherwise; it's bad enough as it is. I considered it for my Airfix railbus (another long term project....), but an Underground Ernie mechanism will drive it now (stocked up when they were being cleared out - in TK Maxx of all places), I just need to find some bushes for 12mm wheels to fit a 1.5mm axle - not having a lathe.... Well trained! it's not that my daughter doesn't like vintage music**, it's just that she tries to convince me there's good music around today. All I can say is that it must be well hidden! She thinks I must be the only person who can't stand that awful 'Happy' thing. Today's 'music' has convinced me that a lot of stuff that I thought was rubbish in my youth isn't so bad after all... She doesn't like Françoise Hardy though. I can't understand why - we were all in love.... (Cuts the waffle yet again!) * Shows the age of some of my Hi-Fi (again vintage rules!) ** She thoroughly approved of my purchase of two Etta James CDs (my Musicassette was sounding a bit strangled - looks OK though ). David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 While assembling the parts from the WR King loco I had thoughts about the chimney. To me the original whitemetal one looks too small so I decided to have a go at making a proper copper one. I may try to thin down the lip onto the smokebox but it is not easy trying to hold and file it, a thinner washer would have helped but none in stock. So far to me it looks better anyway. It was mainly all guess work and I have another to do but I will probably change my method to see if I can clean it up easier. Garry 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) Garry, Is this any help? (first drawing on the list - It's a bit dim but 'Windows Photo'* will help there.) http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/loco_draw.htm * Other picture editing software is available, but this comes with 'Windows 10'. In my spotting days (I 'copped' all 30 ), they had been fitted with double chimneys to the detriment of their appearance, but improvement in performance (more to do with cra poor quality fuel than anything else). David Edited May 10, 2018 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted May 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2018 All fabulous work , really impressed ! Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Garry, Is this any help? (first drawing on the list - It's a bit dim but 'Windows Photo'* will help there.) http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/loco_draw.htm * Other picture editing software is available, but this comes with 'Windows 10'. In my spotting days (I 'copped, all 30 ), they had been fitted with double chimneys to the detriment of their appearance, but improvement in performance (more to do with cra poor quality fuel than anything else). David Thanks David, It may help if I do something else but at the moment I will have to leave this chimney as is, it took a lot of doing so I am unlikely to do another in a hurry lol. Chimneys on WR locos seem strange, the drawing you sent might be similar to the height of the whitemetal one but photos always seem to show them taller. It is like the Castle one which on the TT model matches the dia but just looks to narrow. Maybe all this is because I am not a WR fan. You were lucky to see all the Kings even though with double chimneys, I never saw any WR steam loco until in preservation, same with Scots and Duchess's. Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I have just acquired a set of Worsley works Britannia valve gear and wondered if anyone had any instructions? I can work out most of it but the valve gear brackets are taking some thought as the fold lines seem to be the wrong direction. I am guessing the crossheads have a top piece soldered on which the slidebars then fit around before soldering up. Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NCB Posted May 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 10, 2018 Thanks David, It may help if I do something else but at the moment I will have to leave this chimney as is, it took a lot of doing so I am unlikely to do another in a hurry lol. Chimneys on WR locos seem strange, the drawing you sent might be similar to the height of the whitemetal one but photos always seem to show them taller. It is like the Castle one which on the TT model matches the dia but just looks to narrow. Maybe all this is because I am not a WR fan. You were lucky to see all the Kings even though with double chimneys, I never saw any WR steam loco until in preservation, same with Scots and Duchess's. Garry Think the drawing is wrong. Looking at pictures, the black bottom bit, from the top of the boiler to the base of the copper cap, should be noticeably shorter than the distance from the base of the copper cap to the edge of the rim. As Jim Russell noted, it's wrong in other ways as well; the cab window should be square. Which is why an awful lot of models in earlier days had the wrong shaped window. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Think the drawing is wrong. Looking at pictures, the black bottom bit, from the top of the boiler to the base of the copper cap, should be noticeably shorter than the distance from the base of the copper cap to the edge of the rim. As Jim Russell noted, it's wrong in other ways as well; the cab window should be square. Which is why an awful lot of models in earlier days had the wrong shaped window. Nigel Hi Nigel, I know it is hard to compare on a photograph due to the low angle but these two Kings look to have about a 50/50 difference of black to copper, certainly not noticeably shorter as such. What I did find was the double chimney ones were but not the single ones. Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) Scaling from the drawing (bad engineering practice, but the dimensions have been lost in the copying) the black bit is slightly less than the copper bit (below the rim) which agrees with the photos. Living near Birmingham helped with the spotting. Coronations and A4s needed a bit of travelling, so I didn't get so many. I remember seeing 'Silver King' (of Dublo fame) and she was absolutely filthy - a Gateshead trademark I gather!). One could afford the train then - half fare and cheap day returns helped of course. I can remember on one of our first trips back to England after moving to Italy (1977 IIRC) that we had intended to take the train into London, but scrapped the idea when we found out how much it cost! The train number boards on the smokebox were an annoyance to us, because we couldn't read the number. Now, if they'd left it where it belongs, on the buffer beam.... Edited May 10, 2018 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NCB Posted May 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 10, 2018 Looking at more pics, I'm beginning to wonder if the chimneys varied a lot. I know things did in the preservation era, but I'm wondering about before that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Looking at more pics, I'm beginning to wonder if the chimneys varied a lot. I know things did in the preservation era, but I'm wondering about before that. I think there were various changes as some more photos seem to show higher and lower "joins". I did read in preservation that 4" were taken off and I guess some might have had the odd alteration in BR days. Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 The GWR loading gauge was higher*, so they needed to be trimmed down to run on inferior lines. Prior to preservation there was no real need, Looking at Google Images and once all the interlopers are filtered out (preservation (strange blue colour? ), computer images and other classes) and ignoring double chimneys, they seem, to me at least, to be all the same. * But still lower than it was in the days of Brunel and Stephenson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Carne Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 (edited) I seem to remember that 6000 and 6024 both removed their golden milk churn, and safety valves within, on bridges within the Western region area during preservation, 6024 just outside Paddington as I recall, yes inferior lines as you say Grifone! Ps, there is meant to be a smiley at the end of this post, to show it was made in good humour, but my phone does not want me to add one! Edited May 12, 2018 by Mark Carne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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