RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2021 They had to come to Swindon for acceptance I believe, and probably came under their own steam by whatever route was appropriate, possibly in groups of 2 or 3 from each contractor. From Stafford I'd have thought Birmingham thence OWW to Didcot and GWML, but this is assumption on my part. From Leeds or Newcastle the route would probably be Midland via BNS and Gloucester then Swindon via Stroud, again conjecture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Just now, The Johnster said: They had to come to Swindon for acceptance I believe, and probably came under their own steam by whatever route was appropriate, possibly in groups of 2 or 3 from each contractor. From Stafford I'd have thought Birmingham thence OWW to Didcot and GWML, but this is assumption on my part. From Leeds or Newcastle the route would probably be Midland via BNS and Gloucester then Swindon via Stroud, again conjecture. More likely via the LNWR. They had a more generous loading gauge than most other railways and GWR locomotives were allowed. Even things like Castles. Just not via the L&Y and Berry Brow where the Grange hit the platform.... Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2021 7 hours ago, The Johnster said: I sat up and took notice when 8444 was mentioned; my chosen prototype is 8448 from the same batch of Bagnalls, which would have meant it having a cast iron plate as well, but they were I am reasonably certain all brass. 8448 was one of the shortest lived locos, built 6/54 and withdrawn 8/59, just over 4 years during which it was probably never cleaned and certainly never overhauled or repainted, hauling 2 or 3 coach passenger trains around the Tondu Valleys. It must have been withdrawn in near perfect condition, barely run in... I regard it as the ultimate Tondu allocation, the only loco AFAIK that spent it's entire working life at the shed, and which never went further than it's delivery run from Bagnall's to Swindon for acceptance then light to Tondu. Dear Johnster you need to brush up on your maths. 5years 2 months! Wasn't actually scrapped until Dec 60. The first to go was 9499 at just 4y 2m, 8448 was the 4th after 8447 (2nd) and 9492 (3rd). Incidentally, even at 5y 2m 8448 outlasted 92220 which was 5y 0m, closely followed with other 9Fs of the last Swindon built batch. What a waste. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: More likely via the LNWR. They had a more generous loading gauge than most other railways and GWR locomotives were allowed. Even things like Castles. Just not via the L&Y and Berry Brow where the Grange hit the platform.... Jason 94xx were allowed in places where outside cylinders were not, even on the WR. Three possibles for Bagnalls were Stafford to Wellington and back to Wolverhampton Stafford, Bushbury and Cannock Road, Stafford, Rugeley, walsall to the OWW at Dudley. 33 minutes ago, The Johnster said: They had to come to Swindon for acceptance I believe, and probably came under their own steam by whatever route was appropriate, possibly in groups of 2 or 3 from each contractor. From Stafford I'd have thought Birmingham thence OWW to Didcot and GWML, but this is assumption on my part. From Leeds or Newcastle the route would probably be Midland via BNS and Gloucester then Swindon via Stroud, again conjecture. Could the Bagnalls have gone to Stafford Road for acceptance? They could then have gone to South Wales via Worcester and Hereford. The OWW didn't go to Birmingham, ir went from Wolverhampton to Worcester via Dudley. Not sure where you got Leeds as Yorkshire Engine Co. was based at Sheffield. The locos from the northeast would go via the Camp Hill line if they went on the Midland. They could then have gone via Bordesley to get onto the WR. All speculation as they could equally have gone via the GC and Banbury or Wichnor, Walsall and Dudley. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2021 29 minutes ago, The Johnster said: They had to come to Swindon for acceptance I believe, and probably came under their own steam by whatever route was appropriate, possibly in groups of 2 or 3 from each contractor. From Stafford I'd have thought Birmingham thence OWW to Didcot and GWML, but this is assumption on my part. From Leeds or Newcastle the route would probably be Midland via BNS and Gloucester then Swindon via Stroud, again conjecture. 34 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: More likely via the LNWR. They had a more generous loading gauge than most other railways and GWR locomotives were allowed. Even things like Castles. Just not via the L&Y and Berry Brow where the Grange hit the platform.... Jason The Midland and LNWR had identical structure gauge width at 9' 0" but the Midland was 3 inches taller at 13' 9"* (taller than the "Western!") *(Figure from Midland Railway official documents) Never saw any new loco deliveries via BNS, the only GWR loco I ever saw in the 50s at New St. was a Prairie tank on short goods Halls could be seen on the Midland lines around Birmingham in BR days e.g. King's Heath: https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/mrkh744.htm Saltley: https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/mrsalt1267.htm 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, melmerby said: Dear Johnster you need to brush up on your maths. 5years 2 months! Wasn't actually scrapped until Dec 60. The first to go was 9499 at just 4y 2m, 8448 was the 4th after 8447 (2nd) and 9492 (3rd). Incidentally, even at 5y 2m 8448 outlasted 92220 which was 5y 0m, closely followed with other 9Fs of the last Swindon built batch. What a waste. Another senior moment, yes of course, 5 years and a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, melmerby said: Halls could be seen on the Midland lines around Birmingham in BR days 94xx were cleared for running as far as Washwood Heath. One did visit New Street piloting a Peak on the northbound Devonian. Halls had a regular turn via Lickey and Camp Hill, although they were also cleared via certain platforms at New Street and eventually as far as Burton. A Hall was also photographed on a summer Saturday train at Walsall. Edited February 3, 2021 by TheSignalEngineer Typo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2021 10 hours ago, Happy Hippo said: I've got an unmade SEF 94xx kit if you get desperate! That's funny, so have I. I may yet build it for 'the challenge'. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, tomparryharry said: That's funny, so have I. I may yet build it for 'the challenge'. That's funny, so have I.... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2021 Although I've got a new 34xx, I shall continue with the old LimBach 94xx. I never finished my upgrade of the old model so it will be nice to see it completed. We shall see. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribird Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Has anyone's firebox glow stopped working on DC? I have two 94xx now, one NRM 9400 and the GWR 9402. I had the NRM 9400 for a week before 9402 arrived. Both have received a light running in. Doesn't work in either direction. Any ideas what happened or ideas to fix it? Or should I contact Bachmann? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ribird said: Has anyone's firebox glow stopped working on DC? I have two 94xx now, one NRM 9400 and the GWR 9402. I had the NRM 9400 for a week before 9402 arrived. Both have received a light running in. Doesn't work in either direction. Any ideas what happened or ideas to fix it? Or should I contact Bachmann? On mine, it is not discerible at prototypical speeds - but it glows like a minor volcano if you open the regulator right up! Such things are a gimmick for the kiddies, IMHO. John Isherwood. Edited February 3, 2021 by cctransuk 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Yep. Like kiddies are buying models that cost £100s of pounds like Stirling Singles.... Those expensive European and American models have it as well. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Yep. Like kiddies are buying models that cost £100s of pounds like Stirling Singles.... Those expensive European and American models have it as well. Jason That doesn't alter my opinion - and, for what it's worth, the same goes for sound in my book. But, then again, I am an old-fashioned, grumpy old git - so who cares? John Isherwood. 2 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 22 hours ago, The Johnster said: I wish I still had my copy of E R Mountford's book, which went AWOL during one of the many moves of my unsettled post-divorce existence, but IIRC he states that the maverick Caerphilly obeyed the instructions from Swindon in this matter. They liked red paint at Caerphilly, though, and would paint reversing rods in it at the drop of a hat. Mountford says (in 'Caerphilly Works'), "Following a suggestion by a member of the public, in November 1949 it was instructed that the background of G.W.R. number-plates were to be painted red instead of black, the instruction not applying to smokebox plates. This practice lasted until April 1952 when, following numerous complaints from railway enthusiasts, particularly photographers, the black background was restored." No mention of any deviation from Swindon. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2021 59 minutes ago, cctransuk said: That doesn't alter my opinion - and, for what it's worth, the same goes for sound in my book. But, then again, I am an old-fashioned, grumpy old git - so who cares? John Isherwood. Join the club 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post The Johnster Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2021 THE PRECIOUS!!!! IT IS HERE!!!! IT HAS ARRIVED!!!! PRECIOUSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Calm down Johnster, it's only a loco. No it's not, it's the PRECIOUSSSSS!!!! I've only unboxed it and given it an intitial examination once over, but impressions are very favourable so far. Everything that should be attached to the locomotive is attached to the locomotive, rear steps no problem you just lift the loco vertically out of it's clear plastic holder and they come away sweetly enough. Nice lump of weight, and the first loco I've bought with separate etched brass number plates to go over the printed ones on the cab sides, nice touch, and an etched works plate to go with them. Won't be using these as I'm renumbering to 8448, a Bagnall, but it is a nice touch and enhances the feeling of a quality bit of kit. Separate cab doors are another Good Idea. I also like that the brake rigging is factory fitted rather than a separate retrofit detail; the usual pipes and hooks are supplied in a details bag of course. Finish and printing are about as good as it gets, and the level of detail beneath the tanks and boiler is a step forward in what is expected of RTR volume production; well done Blue Box. I waited a long time for this, complained vigorously when it was put back time and again, and it is only right that I should express my satisfaction now that the beastie is in my chubby little hands. It feels like it was worth the wait, but it was a very long wait! The new number and works plates have already been ordered along with a Modelu loco crew pack (driver, firemen, and full set of lamps). I paid £106 at Rails of Sheffield, but this is still the most expensive single item I have ever bought for my layout, and will probably remain so until Hornby bring out a retooled 2721... I feel the price is fair in modern times for what is an exceptionally well detailed and finished model, and have no complaints on that score, though the Squeeze's eyebrows raised a bit when I ordered it last year. Running in (workbench because I don't have a continuous run test track) and running trials on the layout later. I have already confirmed that the pickups contact correctly across the entire range of side play, so running should be fine. I will check back to backs before trials. She'll run as 9487 until the 8448 plates arrive. As for the firebox glow, like Mr Isherwood I think it's a bit gimmicky especially for DC, and am glad to hear that it is pretty subdued at low voltage. I'll give it a chance, though, and so long as it doesn't bother me in normal ambient light I'll leave it as it is; I do run low lighting sessions sometimes when it might be nice to have. Probably not hard to disconnect if I find it intrusive. 7 11 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2021 I remain very puzzled by this apparent fascination with firebox glow. Anyone would think that engines ran around all the time with open firebox doors. Taht was a long way from the truth because you only open the doors to actually fire the engine, leaving them open is a route to cold air getting onto the firebox in exactly the wrong place. so intermittent firebox glow would make sense but no more than that. As for steam sound I'm still waiting for somebody to get it right although the Accurascale multi-speaker arrangement for the Manor does give cause for long overdue hope in that respect. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2021 Just now, The Stationmaster said: I remain very puzzled by this apparent fascination with firebox glow. Anyone would think that engines ran around all the time with open firebox doors. Taht was a long way from the truth because you only open the doors to actually fire the engine, leaving them open is a route to cold air getting onto the firebox in exactly the wrong place. so intermittent firebox glow would make sense but no more than that. As for steam sound I'm still waiting for somebody to get it right although the Accurascale multi-speaker arrangement for the Manor does give cause for long overdue hope in that respect. Quite. In fact it needs to be most prevalent when the loco is stationary, and the fireman opens the door for cooking or to keep her quiet in the station. Sound has potential IMHO but the pathetic little speakers and bursts of white noise don't cut it for me; I think the answer is hi fi headphones and some sort of postitioning device on the loco so that it appears to come from the right direction, maybe even doppler on passing expresses... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miss Prism Posted February 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2021 Somehow RMweb will never be the same again now that brother Johnster has actually got his 94. 1 6 11 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Johnster said: Quite. In fact it needs to be most prevalent when the loco is stationary, and the fireman opens the door for cooking or to keep her quiet in the station. Sound has potential IMHO but the pathetic little speakers and bursts of white noise don't cut it for me; I think the answer is hi fi headphones and some sort of postitioning device on the loco so that it appears to come from the right direction, maybe even doppler on passing expresses... I agree with you in the main though there are a small number of very very good sound projects that make a proportionate noise and successfully mimic the functions of a real loco. ‘Pauliebanger’ on here produces some masterful projects - I have his current J72 project from digitrains and it is superbly subtle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2021 Brother Johnster may never quite be the same either, but don't worry, I'll probably still find something to obsess about to amuse you all... 5 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2021 At the time of your posting, the sun came out over here. How did you manage that? You really do need sound. As the loco moves from the fiddle yard, it's Handel's Messiah.... Or.... " I'm late, I'm late, for a very important date. No time to say Hello! - Goodbye! I'm late, I'm Late I'm late.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2021 I was wondering if anyone would notice the sun thing... Music, Beethoven's 9th, 'Ode to Joy;. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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