spiket4 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Think I might have a go at detailing my panniers now I have seen this. Regards Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 The adapted body of the 4000 gallon tender was repainted yesterday.... A view just taken in bright sunlight. At this stage I am unsure whether to weather the tender to match the loco or repaint the loco to match the tender... 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted August 4, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2017 Or leave them as they are. If tenders were often swapped, they'd not always be the same colour or as dirty as the loco. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted August 4, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2017 Wind changed.... But I think you're right to stick to prototype. You wouldn't be satisfied with a freelance layout. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 No Toton then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6892 Oakhill Grange Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Go for it! I remember how unsatisfactory the Bachmann 57XX looked beside an 0 gauge SanCheng 57XX and so I think a spot of detailing can only improve the appearance of this elderly 4mm model. I loosened the keeper plate today and slipped in a 20though plastikard spacer before re-tightening the screws. It allows the middle wheels to drop below the outer wheels to cure a nasty stalling habit. I filed a notch in the keeper plate below the middle axle to achieve the same. It seems strange that Bachmann provided the springing and then overly restricted the travel. Oakhill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted August 4, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) Coach, Could you turn part of your fiddle yard into a goods yard, for some intensive shunting action. Edit for predictive text Edited August 4, 2017 by Siberian Snooper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Hi Larry, You can still safely add grass on top of the side mounted Motor by adding some Static Grass to a piece of paper and adding that to the top of the Motor Housing. Excellent work in the Yard now. I do prefer it without the second loop. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Seconded - I much prefer the return to the more prototypical Carrog. The layout definitely continues to look the part. Great work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 Green-green grass of home...Once again, Ready-Grass Vinyl Mat Spring Grass is a quick way of adding the basic ground cover .... Station approach and path to booking hall. Vinyl mat is stuck down with Evostik and formed with a heatgun..... 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandc_au Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Coach< i may have asked this before but either way have forgotten.Where do you get the vynal mat spring grass please?I know I have not seen it advertised/mentioned anywhere except on your thread. Khris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted August 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 5, 2017 Try this https://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/category/ReadyGrassVinylMat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 The adapted body of the 4000 gallon tender was repainted yesterday.... WEB Grange II 5.jpg A view just taken in bright sunlight. At this stage I am unsure whether to weather the tender to match the loco or repaint the loco to match the tender... WEB Grange II 6.jpg Definitely repaint the loco, then match the weathering on tender and loco.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Here is the news...... Would the GWR allow for the 'normal' position of the turnouts to lead directly to a siding? In order to follow the main, you have to pass through a turnout in the 'reverse' position. Apologies for using US signalling parlance, I do not know the correct GWR terms! It looks odd to me, and the google earth view shows that the sidings and the loop are accessed via the more sharply curved diverging leg of the turnout (reverse) with some allowance for the fact that the turnouts appear to be very slightly curved through the straighter (normal) route. Edited August 5, 2017 by Dr Gerbil-Fritters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Bloomin' GWR - never could do anything properly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 5, 2017 carrog model.jpg Would the GWR allow for the 'normal' position of the turnouts to lead directly to a siding? In order to follow the main, you have to pass through a turnout in the 'reverse' position. Apologies for using US signalling parlance, I do not know the correct GWR terms! It looks odd to me, and the google earth view carrog.JPG shows that the sidings and the loop are accessed via the more sharply curved diverging leg of the turnout (reverse) with some allowance for the fact that the turnouts appear to be very slightly curved through the straighter (normal) route. The photo doesn't necessarily show the normal lie of the points - just the way they were set when the photo was taken. However if you are meaning the normal lie should be the 'straight route' then the only question I can think of is - why? Inevitably there would be places where the topography and arrangement of the layout would mean the normal route would be through the curvature of the turnout side of the point instead of the straight route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focalplane Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 While researching Penmaenpool (in many ways a cousin to Carrog though of Cambrian origin) it became clear to me that the "Main" line has a smoother run through the loop than the "Loop" line. But in reality as the signal box controlled the single line tablet exchange in both directions there was no fast running in either direction through the station. It was simply more convenient to design the track work that way as the siding(s) were accessed from the western end of the "Loop" line. If you rotate Carrog through 180º you have Penmaenpool except the sidings at Carrog are switched off the "Main" line. In both cases the signalman would have been involved in shunting operations. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coachmann Posted August 5, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 5, 2017 Before continuing with the scenery, I printed some photos off the computer showing Carrog as it was in steam days, then set too making a stone wall at the base of the embankment. (There are toilets at this location today, a thoughtful heritage addition). As usual, I used ready-to-plonk and so the wall is modified Hornby Skaledale.... Crumpled newsprint was followed by a rough & ready covering of vinyl ReadyGrass formed to fit as nearly as possible by the trusty heat gun.... A quick drive over to our trusty model shop in Rhuddlan found me scouring the scenic department for loose grass and other things. The 'grass was just what I was looking for t give an over-grown appearance as in the 1950's photos.... 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focalplane Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 In the "heritage" men's toilet there is a suggestion that one can take a shower. Has anyone tried this? Given the weather that day I certainly did not! The pre-toilet scenic addition is "right on". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Hi Larry I was at Carrog the other day while visiting the Llangollen as part of my Welsh railways adventure, and having now seen the prototype myself I must compliment you on your stunning work, looks every inch like Carrog! Good luck with the rest of the project. Cheers, Liam 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coachmann Posted August 5, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 5, 2017 I think it was Andy Y who suggested I try the vinyl self-adhesive version of ID Backscenes a few years ago when I was building Greenfield Junction (I was struggling with the card-backed backscenes and paste at the time). I must say these vinyl type were an absolute doddle to put up.... No creases and no tears.... The join between the baseboard scenery and backscene will be sorted later.... 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 5, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2017 The photo doesn't necessarily show the normal lie of the points - just the way they were set when the photo was taken. However if you are meaning the normal lie should be the 'straight route' then the only question I can think of is - why? Inevitably there would be places where the topography and arrangement of the layout would mean the normal route would be through the curvature of the turnout side of the point instead of the straight route. In such cases, what might appear to be (e.g.) a left hand point would in fact be a right hand point - the point rail at the vee being in the curved "straight" route and the splice rail being in the straight "turnout" route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandc_au Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 That point to the yard look more like a very shallow Y to me in reality.Coach wouldn't have a hope in hell with a peco Y, which to me leaves 2 options1) Handbuild one2) go the way he did. Khris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Personally I think the layout looks fantastic, and is a very good depiction of Carrog. The points look fine to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishrailwaymodeller Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Spot on. I was full of idealism initially and the layout did indeed start off with a 'Y' point in the yard just as the real location, but I had to move the signalbox slightly by eating into the platform. I missed the boat when I failed to take up a friends offer to design on Templot and build me the three points to scale. I was still in Peco 'flick-em-over' with a finger mode at the time! Today I could easily buy three Marcway soldered turnouts plus a box of SMP flexible track and relay the lot. I think there comes a point with every model railway where good enough is good enough. Your model of Carrog is more than good enough at this point most would agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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