Popular Post coachmann Posted April 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Carrog (formerly known as Llansantffraid Glyn Dyfrdwy) lies on the north side of the River Dee and on the former GWR Ruabon to Dolgelley line. Llangollen lies 8½ miles to the east while Corwen, junction with the LNWR line from Ruthin, is 2½ miles to the west. Carrog as a given name for the settlement is relatively modern and was allotted to the railway station because it was easier to pronounce for travellers. It is derived from Carrau or Carrok, a Welsh term meaning 'swift flowing stream' or 'torrent'. I chose Carrog for no other reason than that I have grown very fond of the place since the mid 1990's. Martin Christie, who rebuilt the station and resides there, very kindly gave me permission to measure up the platforms and buildings on New Year's Day 2017 and a good many photos and measurements have been taken since. The main running lines within the 14 ft long shed will be laid with the new Peco bullhead track and one Peco Code 83 large radius turnout to give smooth passage to trains entering the Down loop. Kadee couplings and uncoupling magnets will allow a measure of automation when shunting behind the station. Viewed towards Corwen..... Viewed towards Llangollen.... Station forecourt and goods yard entrance.... Edited August 18, 2018 by coachmann 32 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted April 17, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2017 One of my favourite preserved stations Larry, following with anticipation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 One of my favourites as well Larry, nice choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coachmann Posted April 17, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) After removing the old 14 ft long scenic baseboard into the garden, it was rebuilt with a new 3" X 1" front runner and new cross-members to create a frame only 16" wide. The long spirit-level played an important part at this stage of the game.... Best investment ever this saw!.... It is capable of cutting exactly the angles one wants, although some accurate dimensioning is also called for.... This triangular fillet is required because of the curve through Carrog station...... The additional section firmly screwed in place. The whole frame is screwed to the sheds frame members, not the walls. A section of the original plywood top has been re-used, but the widened section is new 13mm ply. The back screens were given a fresh coat of white paint...... The next stage involved removing the fiddle yard baseboard into the garden. This too was narrowed and tapered at the bottom end to give more walking space. So that's the shed part completed ready for track positioning so that PGH of this forum can plot out the new garden section (towards Corwen).... Edited April 17, 2017 by coachmann 30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBRJ Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Some very nice simple, but totally "fit for purpose" woodwork there! 3x1" (or 69 x18mm if one must) is ideal baseboard timber frame size IMO and the chop saw is just the tool to cut it with. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 One of my favourite stations too 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted April 18, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2017 Coach, Good too see that you have made a start on this project, I will be following with interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Good morning Larry,I have this on my follow list now .................... even though it is in one of those smaller fiddler scales Best regards Craig. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melangoose Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Hi Coachmann, It's nice to see you modelling in "OO" again, will follow your thread with much interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Well done Larry great to see your new project starting to break cover from the depths of winter .......it's an exciting time starting a new layout looking forward to following your progress......if you need any additional photo's or measurements I'm happy to pop down the road if required .................. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted April 18, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18, 2017 Will there be an option for a non-garden loop (as you had previously in the covered extension), should you choose to not want to use the full length of the line (inclement weather, for example) ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I'm biased in that my favourite preserved station is Highley, but Carrog looks a nice station and you have the flexibility of running (pretty much) whatever you want with no one complaining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ardbealach Posted April 18, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2017 Slightly off topic - but have you included for thermal insulation for the floor / walls / roof to avoid the extremes in temperatures in your shed? Also sunlight can have a serious detrimental effect on the applied colours on the layout. Suggest perhaps blinds or ultra violet film to the glass to the window wall. But Carrog is an interesting location and the options are great for a Western Region and a later Llangollen Railway alternative for a variety of rolling stock and motive power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coachmann Posted April 18, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2017 The only thing I have had time for today is mapping out the curve from the lead turnout to Carrog overbridge and in the opposite direction to the opening in the shed wall. Two Code 83 #8 and two Code 75 arge radius point were purchased to give a couple of options. Overlaid, it can be seen the '83 and '75 points produce two very different angles... If there is one thing I dislike, it is loco turning sharp right or left on Code 75 points, so I have used a Code 83 as the lead turnout. This is looking towards Carrog station. The real station accomodtaes six Mk.I coaches platform ramp top to ramp top. The model will accommodate five Mk.I coaches.... Looking the other way 'across the fields' towards Glyndyfrdwy. The curve is and almost continuous 250 inches radius... 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted April 19, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2017 A great start coach, I like nice sweeping curves and you have certainly achieved that, it always makes a layout appear larger to my eye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coachmann Posted April 19, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) Track east of Carrog runs on a low embankment which commences almost at the Down platform end..... I used Peco Code 100 today for plotting out, as it tends to hold its curvature. After marking the track position on the baseboard, two lengths of 13mm plywood were cut with a jigsaw for use as an embankment.... The next job entailed removing the baseboard top, sawing through the back and front runners and lowering the baseboard the equivalent of the two thicknesses of plywood..... Crumpled newspaper will eventually form the batter (embankment slope) on top of which will be laid 'ReadyGrass'. The embankment will be extended towards the station tomorrow.... The 'footings' are always boring when preparing to build something and so I left the shed feeling far more enthusiastic about it all this afternoon. Edited April 19, 2017 by coachmann 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) An Excellent start Larry, the flow of the curve is just about right and will add some real atmosphere to the Layout. You have created exactly what I started with Trewithen, before scrapping it. Edited April 19, 2017 by Andrew P 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jintyman Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Looking really well Coachman. You really get stuck in don't you, before you know it, it'll be just about built. I called in at Llangollen dinner time today, on my way back from Dapol after picking up my B-Set, to be treated to one of the best locos ever produced (Obviously with GWR heritage) leaving as sure footed as ever with a Corwen service, via Carrog!!! 45337 sitting in the platform waiting to depart. Picture quality a bit suss, 8 x zoom on my phone!!! And here is some video I took of her pulling away, as I know you like to hear different locos at work. Jinty 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) Thanks Jinty'. Interesting to see the RH drain cock is still 'blowing'. The Black Five is the regular engine at the moment. You have created exactly what I started with Trewithen, before scrapping it. What a shame you did not pursue this idea.........It looked an interesting project. Edited April 19, 2017 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 1/16" cork was cut into strips ¾" wide and laid under the outer edge of the embankment then it was firmly screwed down along the inner edge. To the eye it seems as if nothing has happened but the spirit level soon confirmed a camber, first to the right then to the left as it snaked towards the shed doorway. Placing a coach on some track also showed it was working.... However, he station loop section on the flat baseboard was not as easy. 1/16" cork somewhat less than double track width was glued down with neat PVA and then weighted with timber and books. When dry, an electric sander was used to put a camber across it until the inner edge was like tissue. This was incredibly dusty work and if i were to do it again i would use the open frame method.... 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 To add a little to the above post, double tracks usually had individual cambers and this can be detected in the first picture in post #1. Seeing as I use the glue, lay & ballast in one go method, individual cambers are difficult to place weights on and so my cheating is for good reason. Later on today I will be gluing 1/8" cork on top of the 1/16" 'footings' as well as on the plywood embankment. This is probably the least interesting part of layout building, but at least it brings track-laying ever closer. That said, making the station buildings will be the least interesting part as far as I am concerned. I should take up chequebook modelling.... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted April 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 21, 2017 Good to see you back in the shed, Larry and that your "specs on the layout in photos" trademark is still alive and well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard.h Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Really looking forward to this, the speed and quality of your layout building is just amazing and I always learn a lot from them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 Really looking forward to this, the speed and quality of your layout building is just amazing and I always learn a lot from them. That is gratifying to know because i did have doubts about illustrating the early parts like building the baseboard. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 The whole of the widened part of the baseboard was covered in cork as this allows me more freedom when placing tracks in the goods yard. Today, the tracks were laid out as close as possible to their final position. This took up all morning but because ail joiners could not be used between the Code 75 bullhead and the Code 83 points, there were great difficulties in keeping everything lined up. In the end I ditched the points and used Code 75's instead all joined together with Peco SL-110 and SL-111 rail joiners. The vertical web of the bullhead rail is slightly thicker than rail used by other manufacturers and this means the rail joiners really do grip the bullhead rail..... Switch blades masked off ready for spraying the track with Railmatch Sleeper Grime.... 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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