RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted February 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, Kylestrome said: Maybe 'difficult' was the wrong word. Let's call it 'expensive' or, in the case of small suppliers, 'near impossible' instead: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161021-buying-and-selling-models-tofrom-europe/page/17/&tab=comments#comment-4308850 What difficulties? I'm a small supplier and I continue to send orders to the EU exactly as before Brexit. John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, cctransuk said: 33 minutes ago, Kylestrome said: Maybe 'difficult' was the wrong word. Let's call it 'expensive' or, in the case of small suppliers, 'near impossible' instead: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161021-buying-and-selling-models-tofrom-europe/page/17/&tab=comments#comment-4308850 What difficulties? I'm a small supplier and I continue to send orders to the EU exactly as before Brexit. He just said it wasn’t difficulties, but expense, John. Some suppliers seem to be using Brexit as an excuse for not bothering, it would seem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted February 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Regularity said: He just said it wasn’t difficulties, but expense, John. Some suppliers seem to be using Brexit as an excuse for not bothering, it would seem. No he most certainly did not - 'near impossible' was the exact wording. Who are these mystery lazy suppliers? John Isherwood. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, cctransuk said: No he most certainly did not - 'near impossible' was the exact wording. Who are these mystery lazy suppliers? John Isherwood. No. He said it wasn’t difficult, but expensive, but “near impossible” was applied to some, not all, small suppliers, as you are saying. I presume they are mentioned in the thread David linked to, but at the end of the day, what kind of supplier turns away business? No need to answer that: it was rhetorical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted February 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, Regularity said: No. He said it wasn’t difficult, but expensive, but “near impossible” was applied to some, not all, small suppliers, as you are saying. I presume they are mentioned in the thread David linked to, but at the end of the day, what kind of supplier turns away business? No need to answer that: it was rhetorical. Please point me to the word 'some' before 'small suppliers'; it ain't there! The statement is crystal-clear; 'in the case of small suppliers, near impossible'. Please read postings before interfering. John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2021 It’s how I read the “tone”, but as a “small supplier”, I can see why you’d be peed off enough to displace your anger at someone else. Whatever: if suggesting solutions and hinting at offering to help is “poking my nose in”, then I don’t mind “interfering”, but as you weren’t personally mentioned, I have little idea (and care not at all) what your reason is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted February 6, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2021 It’s amazing how easy it is to start an argument on a forum, even though it was not my intention. I really don’t know why I bother posting here sometimes. Perhaps, in future, I should spend my time doing something more useful. David 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted February 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2021 David , Fear not ! It is good to read and see updates of your work. Forums can be an imperfect world of expressions at times but overall they and certainly RM Web is good at encouraging and informing modellers. stay safe and keep well Robert 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Izzy Posted February 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2021 54 minutes ago, Kylestrome said: It’s amazing how easy it is to start an argument on a forum, even though it was not my intention. I really don’t know why I bother posting here sometimes. Perhaps, in future, I should spend my time doing something more useful. David For me you posting on RMweb is very useful, your work being quite inspiring whatever you do - rolling stock or layouts - and encouraging me to try harder in future, so being selfish please don’t stop. Bob 2 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted February 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Kylestrome said: I really don’t know why I bother posting here sometimes. Perhaps, in future, I should spend my time doing something more useful. David No please don’t stop David - your workbench and layout are hugely inspirational That’s why I come on here, to be inspired by other’s layouts and models...especially more now so during lockdown... Thank you 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Kylestrome said: It’s amazing how easy it is to start an argument on a forum, even though it was not my intention. I really don’t know why I bother posting here sometimes. Perhaps, in future, I should spend my time doing something more useful. David Some just cannot help getting their trews off sadly... Keep the models coming, it's always nice to see another wagon nuts work. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted February 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, iak said: Some just cannot help getting their trews off sadly... Keep the models coming, it's always nice to see another wagon nuts work. Just to point out the other side of the coin .... As a small supplier, a surprising number of my orders come from the EU; (and all other corners of the globe). When posted on a group with an international membership, the specific statement that ordering from abroad with small suppliers is "near impossible" can have far-reaching consequences. I fully accept that the OP had no such intention, but the unintended implications could be disruptive for both suppliers and potential customers. All I was asking for was a little more thought before posting sweeping statements. Not unreasonable, surely? John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted February 6, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, cctransuk said: When posted on a group with an international membership, the specific statement that ordering from abroad with small suppliers is "near impossible" can have far-reaching consequences. John, please accept my apologies for making a hasty remark without thinking of the possible implications. I do have good grounds for making my statement, which I won't go into here, but I should have prefaced it with 'some'. Regards, David 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted February 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) On 06/02/2021 at 14:41, Kylestrome said: John, please accept my apologies for making a hasty remark without thinking of the possible implications. I do have good grounds for making my statement, which I won't go into here, but I should have prefaced it with 'some'. Regards, David David, Thank you - I must admit that I read the comment at a time when I was easily irritated; I meant no offence. I think that the 'aggro' was exacerbated by the comments of a third party. Regards, John Isherwood. Edited February 23, 2021 by cctransuk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) Apologies Dave: I find your work inspiring, as I have said more than once (your class 25 is still the yardstick I use to compare all others). Obviously people differ in interpretation of words, which makes life interesting and unfortunately, means unambiguous communication is not always what happens: I read the absence of “all” from “...small suppliers” as meaning “some” [which you since have clarified as your intention] whereas it is apparently possible to read “small suppliers” as lacking the qualifier “some” and interpret it as meaning “all small suppliers” and only meaning that. I have been taught that as the recipient of messages, we should not over-interpret meaning, but as providers of communication, the onus is on us to ensure that our message gets across clearly and unambiguously, and failures of communication are the consequence of not realising that there is possible ambiguity in the message. (A local eatery is offering takeaway service, in the daytime, you can walk in, order and come back later to collect or even wait, but for Friday and Saturday evenings (6pm to 9pm) you need to “pre-order”. So I waited until 6pm, to “pre-order” for the evening. Apparently, “pre-order” means “before 6pm on the day you want to eat”, and the owner was quite indignant that it was my misunderstanding. I am rambling, again, but thanks for clarifying that I had, in fact, understood you correctly. Nurse, quick, the medication, or at least the facecloth to mop up the drooling... ) Edited February 6, 2021 by Regularity Waffle about pre-ordering. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Kylestrome Posted February 21, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) It’s very satisfying when you can make a model out of odd parts, and bits from the scrap box, that vaguely resembles a wagon. Somehow, I managed to end up with just the body parts of a Parkside mineral wagon kit and, as luck would have it, I found enough bits and pieces to make an underframe for it. I came up with some 3mm Evergreen channel for the sole bars, axlebox and spring mouldings rescued from the Dogfish kit, Buffers off a Hornby brake van, Comet W-irons and some Masokits 9’ brake gear parts. The basic construction was quite simple. As long as the wheel axles have enough ’slop’ in the bearings everything can be glued up rigid. The aptly named Masokits brake gear can be a bit of a fiddle, but looks good in close-up photos. Most of the metal parts are locked in place by various lumps of styrene – not pretty, but effective. With some lead underneath, and a sheet of lead as a false floor, the wagon weighs the standard 50 grams. I’ll make a removable coal load for it, probably using a block of balsa wood with an embedded magnet, before it goes onto the layout. David Edited April 11, 2022 by Kylestrome 10 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted February 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) On 06/02/2021 at 16:04, cctransuk said: Deleted Edited February 23, 2021 by cctransuk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted March 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2021 On 05/02/2021 at 19:07, Kylestrome said: Now that buying items from the UK has become so difficult I looked at a local German online shop to see if I could something of use, before stocks run out, and came up with this Hornby OTA. Normally, with these articulated wagon chassis, I would replace the wobbly bits with Bill Bedford sprung axle units. In this case, I thought it would be a shame to lose the axle box detail so I decided to have a go at ‘finescaling’ the original underframe. I cut off the axle guard detail from the metal axle units, with a piercing saw, and glued them onto the solebars and springs. Then I ground off the pinpoints of the two P4 axles and turned some spacing washers to reduce the side-play. Once reassembled, and with couplings fitted, the wagon runs quite well on P4 track although I’m glad this is only a one-off. I think the friction would probably cause problems if I were to run a whole train of them. I will probably need to do a partial re-paint to suit my chosen period, and I will add a load with some concealed weight. David I have just read this thread end to end for the first time where the detailed work contained is of the highest order. I am intrigued by your selection of an air braked OTA first seen in the 1980's when elsewhere you have so studiously and meticulously created rolling stock appropriate for the period of your layout. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted March 2, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, young37215 said: I am intrigued by your selection of an air braked OTA first seen in the 1980's That's because I don't like to be tied to just one era. Most of my projects so far are intended for the period 1968/69'ish, but I also have several locos and air-braked stock for the period of roughly between 1985-87. Nothing's hard and fast, and I sometimes make arbitrary use of Rule No. 1, but stock for the two periods are run quite separately. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 On 05/02/2021 at 19:07, Kylestrome said: Now that buying items from the UK has become so difficult I looked at a local German online shop to see if I could something of use, before stocks run out, and came up with this Hornby OTA. Normally, with these articulated wagon chassis, I would replace the wobbly bits with Bill Bedford sprung axle units. In this case, I thought it would be a shame to lose the axle box detail so I decided to have a go at ‘finescaling’ the original underframe. I cut off the axle guard detail from the metal axle units, with a piercing saw, and glued them onto the solebars and springs. Then I ground off the pinpoints of the two P4 axles and turned some spacing washers to reduce the side-play. Once reassembled, and with couplings fitted, the wagon runs quite well on P4 track although I’m glad this is only a one-off. I think the friction would probably cause problems if I were to run a whole train of them. I will probably need to do a partial re-paint to suit my chosen period, and I will add a load with some concealed weight. David I like this technique. Might give it a go for my OTAs. Looks like you've cut off the axle guards without affecting the height and attached direct to the bottom of the chassis? Cheers Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted October 5, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 5, 2021 25 minutes ago, westie7 said: Looks like you've cut off the axle guards without affecting the height and attached direct to the bottom of the chassis? Correct. The axles still run in the rocking/rotating axle units, as Hornby intended, but the axle guards now remain static. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 46 minutes ago, Kylestrome said: Correct. The axles still run in the rocking/rotating axle units, as Hornby intended, but the axle guards now remain static. David Thanks David. And reading back through this thread... Please keep posting.. if I hadn't found your posts I'd still be struggling to figure out what to do with these OTAs.. now I have a plan and can save on parts too. But I really must finish the Engineers AB wagons thread I started donkeys ago before I dig out another project. Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Kylestrome Posted November 5, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) After about 1970, BR started to withdraw oddball designs leaving just the BR designed standard vans in service. So far, most of the rolling stock for Kinlochmore is appropriate for the 1968/69 period which gives me the maximum choice of BR van types to model. As if I don’t already have enough unfinished projects, I’m about to add another four wagons to the list. These Parkside van kits are all complete and are just waiting for their turn in the paint shop. First up is an LMS-design Fruit van (Diag. 1/230). This one has a missing side vent that has been boarded over. Other details include Masokits brake gear parts, turned buffers, and Lanarkshire Models vacuum hoses. BR Standard ply-sided van with eight shoe brakes. BR Standard shock van. I wasn't very happy with the moulded end vents, so these were replaced. Buffers are from MJT and the vacuum pipes are made up from wire because I ran out of Lanarkshire ones. BR Vanwide. Bill Bedford brake levers. David Edited November 5, 2022 by Kylestrome 16 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted November 6, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2022 Lovely stuff David. Good to see you posting again - always inspirational. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Kylestrome Posted November 6, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2022 My first attempt at building the Cambrian Dogfish kit ended up in the dustbin. As I later successfully managed to complete a Catfish kit from the same source, by exercising a little more patience, I decided that I should have another go at the Dogfish using the lessons learned from the Catfish. This time I’m building two of them. Wish me luck. As is well known, the greatest difficulty is in building the underframe squarely. I have sorted this problem by using Evergreen styrene sections to replace the cross members from the kit chassis, being very careful to sand them square and to the exact length. So far, so good ... David 20 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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