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OnTheBranchline

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But he drives a Ferrari. And that's the nub of it, really. F1 is Ferrari, a world brand all revere, and they have been in F1 since 1950. No team has more clout, or is seen to generate more glamour and hence revenue for F1. They receive a special bonus just for being Ferrari, and even if all other teams agree something, a Ferrari veto is enough to stop it. Part of the F1 sickness.

Hamilton escaped punishment for his antics in making Vettel and Webber crash behind the safety car which was just as dangerous.

 

Enough with the 'Woe is us' attitude.

 

You guys are treating Vettel like Maldonado.

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Some hope one Ferrari for the rest of the season far too much ££££££££££££££££ involved. That is presuming that Ferrari couldn't use another driver ?

 

Vettel has been puhing his luck for a long time , the foul mouthed childish nonsense in Mexico directed to Charlie Whiting being a classic, from a petulant nasty spoilt child .

 

Kimi would like to do him as well after the Monaco fit up, by Ferrari as well. !

And Hamilton wasn't being childish when he was backing up Rosberg into the pack at the final race last season?

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But he drives a Ferrari. And that's the nub of it, really. F1 is Ferrari, a world brand all revere, and they have been in F1 since 1950. No team has more clout, or is seen to generate more glamour and hence revenue for F1. They receive a special bonus just for being Ferrari, and even if all other teams agree something, a Ferrari veto is enough to stop it. Part of the F1 sickness.

 

Ian, 

Yes I agree but it was not Ferrari who caused it, ban the man. There’s a plethora of good drivers around that are actually adult in outlook. I like the Canadian - but incipient dementia prevents me from remembering his name :senile:

 

I meant to add that there were some really funny radio comments from Kimi during the race, I dunno whether you caught some of them like: “just replace the rear - wing side plate” - after he had destroyed the diffusor pretty comprehensively with a flailing tyre.

 

Best, Pete.

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Ian, 

Yes I agree but it was not Ferrari who caused it, ban the man.

Many of us would support that, Pete. Sadly this is where the Ferrari influence kicks in. "Ban our man and we take our bat home!" And the greedy ones see their empire totter. It ain't gonna happen.
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Apparently Verstappen has been fined 25k (I can't remember the currency!) for skipping the media interviews after a race where his car let him down so he was less than cheerful. Does any of us blame him?

 

There are 20 drivers. If they all downed tools the requirement would quickly be quashed. But the salaries dictate and no-one steps out of line. Media exposure is everything to Liberty making money. The evil in F1 is so deep-rooted.

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Apparently Verstappen has been fined 25k (I can't remember the currency!) for skipping the media interviews after a race where his car let him down so he was less than cheerful. Does any of us blame him?

 

Most likely Euros. When teams and individuals pick up financial penalties, it is usually quoted as Euros.

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There are forms of motor racing where contact is permissable, if not exactly encouraged. Open-wheel classes are never going to be included because the risk exceeds any added spectacle value. It will be a pity if Vettel is suspended or is otherwise unable to drive, because he is one of the finest, but for that very reason, he has less need to play dirty. Another superb German driver of recent memory was known to do that occasionally, but what has befallen him in retirement you would not wish on anyone.

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It will be a pity if Vettel is suspended or is otherwise unable to drive, because he is one of the finest, but for that very reason, he has less need to play dirty.

Being generous, the incident with Massa could be put down to driving very competitively or an error of judgement.  However a swearing rant at an official and deliberately driving into another car are conscious, premeditated actions.  If Vettel commits another offence and is given a ban - which maybe costs him the championship - he only has his own little self to blame.

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Being generous, the incident with Massa could be put down to driving very competitively or an error of judgement. However a swearing rant at an official and deliberately driving into another car are conscious, premeditated actions. If Vettel commits another offence and is given a ban - which maybe costs him the championship - he only has his own little self to blame.

On the other hand, Michael Schumacher got banned/excluded a number of times and still won the title in 1994.

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I'm going to be contentious here .......

The fact that Vettel, Senna and Schumacher were/are all so successful is possibly because of their "Ruthlessness"  on the track (by all accounts they are/were delightful gents when away from racing.)

 

I don't like it, but there it is.

The pressure to win in F1 has probably increased with increasing commercialism.

Be interesting to see if Danny R keeps smiling if there is ever a title on the line, or if a little bit of mongrel comes out!

 

If I may step back a little - I remember Jones and Gilles Villeneuve  having some monumental battles (ie Monaco '81) and yep there was contact and a little bit of rubbing, but there was always a high level of respect between those Blokes and never anything like which  has seemed to have crept in since.

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I see the clock is now ticking down to the BRDC deadline for telling Liberty they no longer want a GP at Silverstone from 2019. Apparently this declaration must be made by July 16th. Sources suggest that financial prudence (whoever she is - an invention of Gordon Brown?) mean it will be made. Wailing, gnashing of teeth and breast-beating will abound on all sides, HMG will be approached to give BRDC a loan, without success, and that will be that. 

 

In the meantime some other ludicrously obscure part of the world will entice Liberty onboard with actual readies, and F1 will roll on doing what it does best - making everyone concerned rich. Bless.

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I see the clock is now ticking down to the BRDC deadline for telling Liberty they no longer want a GP at Silverstone from 2019. Apparently this declaration must be made by July 16th. Sources suggest that financial prudence (whoever she is - an invention of Gordon Brown?) mean it will be made. Wailing, gnashing of teeth and breast-beating will abound on all sides, HMG will be approached to give BRDC a loan, without success, and that will be that. 

 

In the meantime some other ludicrously obscure part of the world will entice Liberty onboard with actual readies, and F1 will roll on doing what it does best - making everyone concerned rich. Bless.

And with the likelihood of FREE TO VIEW TV in Britain ending, will F1 have any future in the UK, or will the Teams based here eventually move abroad as well?

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Street circuits are nothing new - apart from Monaco, Detroit, Phoenix, Long Beach and Adelaide have all had street circuits in the past and I'm sure there have been others. Even Montreal and Melbourne are at least partly on streets. And I do find the street circuits more readily identifiable than the purpose-built circuits.

 

The races don't have to be boring either as not all street circuits are as tight and twisty as Monaco - there was a decent amount of overtaking at Baku last weekend although the safety cars inevitably helped with that. And if it brings F1 to where people are rather than some circuit in the middle of nowhere, why not?

 

Here's hoping for a London race if Silverstone folds.

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