34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Is it simply that this version is the obvious choice, in offering the maximum potential as a basis for all of the Plate, Trestle and Twin Bolster variants as built by all of the LNER, LMS and BR? As a generic type of wagon it's an entirely logical addition to the range; I am surprised at how long it has taken to appear, especially given the long sustained production of class 37s from multiple manufacturers, which class could be seen with these wagons every day of the week. The last 4 or 5 Parkside kits I have bought, all 21T Mineral wagons, had plastic wheels, which I have replaced. Ask Parkside for their opinion on whether these kits left them so equipped. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2016 The last 4 or 5 Parkside kits I have bought, all 21T Mineral wagons, had plastic wheels, which I have replaced. I still see the older stock with plastic wheels on a well-known auction site as well as at shows and even some in shops. I have not had plastic wheels in any of the later packaging and many of the earlier packs still around have a label about metal wheels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Is it simply that this version is the obvious choice, in offering the maximum potential as a basis for all of the Plate, Trestle and Twin Bolster variants as built by all of the LNER, LMS and BR? As a generic type of wagon it's an entirely logical addition to the range; I am surprised at how long it has taken to appear, especially given the long sustained production of class 37s from multiple manufacturers, which class could be seen with these wagons every day of the week. Ask Parkside for their opinion on whether these kits left them so equipped. All the ones I've bought had Romford wheels and bearings, which is what they advertise on their site; were these purchased from a retailer, or from a well-known auction site? The only time I've not had wheels and bearings supplied is when buying seperate underframe kits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Regarding the wheels supplied by Parkside Dundas; I contacted them and this was their (very quick) reply: 'We use Alan Gibson wheels in our kits now. They have metal tyres with plastic centres on metal axles.'So they are no longer supplying Romford wheels, but they are not using all-plastic wheels either (which I must admit I thought they were). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Off topic, but that is welcome news, as I fancy the new 4mm LNER Toad E kit when that appears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) On the Hornby Magazine blog. Completely forgot about the Plate wagons...!! Edited December 11, 2016 by Garethp8873 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Correct John, the wagon is a LNER design built under Diagram 168 between 1942 and 1946 at Darlington and Shildon Works of which 1250 were built in total. 1942 Darlington 500 250398-897 1943 Darlington 200 260148-347 1944 Darlington 200 265700-899 1945 Shildon 100 278279-378 1946 Shildon 250 286259-508 Were any produced for the LMS? I can't find my original LMS wagons book, which gives all the build details but Vol. 1 of the later books shows an apparently identical vehicle, of which 1050 were built. Thanks, Martin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted December 12, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2016 Is it me or have they got the brake push rods the wrong way round? Hopefully these are only pre-production examples and the finished ones will be correct .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 Were any produced for the LMS? I can't find my original LMS wagons book, which gives all the build details but Vol. 1 of the later books shows an apparently identical vehicle, of which 1050 were built. Thanks, Martin Yes the LMS had some built for them between 1945 and 1949. Numbered between 726000 and 727049. There are two photos on P123 of LMS Wagons Vol.1. which show LMS Double Bolster 726018 and Plate wagon M726954. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted December 12, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2016 Is it me or have they got the brake push rods the wrong way round? Hopefully these are only pre-production examples and the finished ones will be correct .... Coincidentally after I wrote that, the postman delivered 'Model Rail' 230 (January 2017) which has some very clear pictures of pre-production samples, which DO have the push rods the right way round! They're good looking models, with a lot of nicely rendered detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'm in a bit of a quandry here.... I have several unbuilt Parkside kits for these, with MM transfers. Building a Parkside kit is like a relaxtion therapy, but do I have the time? Answer is of course 'Yes' , but what else could I do with that time if I bought these? Get the behind me ....... From a very cold WA, Peter C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Coincidentally after I wrote that, the postman delivered 'Model Rail' 230 (January 2017) which has some very clear pictures of pre-production samples, which DO have the push rods the right way round! They're good looking models, with a lot of nicely rendered detail. In my experience, the correctness (or otherwise) of the brake gear on Bachmann wagons is fairly random. I doubt there are (m)any Chinese workers familiar with the workings of Morton brakes so they really need to design and tool the parts in such a way that they can only be assembled one way round. John Edited December 12, 2016 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 They seem to have used LNER-style W-irons on the Twin-Bolster, and BR ones on the Plate. It's to be hoped that they'll do the fitted versions of the Plate with both LNER and BR styles of brake gear. This isn't the first time the Double Bolster's been done as R-T-R:- https://www.google.co.uk/aclk?sa=l&ai=DChcSEwirtJGE0O7QAhUCk-0KHZeJBAcYABA8&sig=AOD64_1EHfm9bjefM5xscvrCcwEy-MvOWw&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwjT7I6E0O7QAhXMAcAKHUKpCZQQqCsI5AE&adurl= though you have to use a fair amount of imagination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Isnt this for the LNER/BR version of the wagons, with the LMS a different one? Dont chiver fineline do the LMS version as a kit? And if it is fir the LNER/BR version, is it the early version with riveting or the later welded ends, and how many door springs does it have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Isnt this for the LNER/BR version of the wagons, with the LMS a different one? Dont chiver fineline do the LMS version as a kit? And if it is fir the LNER/BR version, is it the early version with riveting or the later welded ends, and how many door springs does it have? The Chivers one is the earlier LMS design, sometimes described as a Long Low, which had timber sides. The LNER built steel-bodied wagons for both itself and the LMS, initially to deal with the increased demand during WW2, and then to replace older vehicles. I don't remember any of the wagons I saw having any form of door springs; the sides were only about a foot deep, and fairly solid, so there wasn't really the need. Here is an LNER fitted wagon:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerplate/h9f3ab7f#h9f3ab7f An LNER unfitted one:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerplate/h9f3ab7f#h24f5acd0 A welded LMS-built one :- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h2c7aa6d1#h2c7aa6d1 and a riveted one:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h2b03b552#h2b03b552 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Did I say springs? I meant hinges (D`OH). The BR version had 4 vs 3 on the others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad McCann Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Well, these are welcome additions though I'll still be making plenty use alongside these of Parkside, Chivers and Rumney since there is one particular class of wagon I can use a great many of them for a future project. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Yes the LMS had some built for them between 1945 and 1949. Numbered between 726000 and 727049. There are two photos on P123 of LMS Wagons Vol.1. which show LMS Double Bolster 726018 and Plate wagon M726954. I have now found the book! The LMS ones were built in 5 lots between 1945 and 1949, Messrs. Essery and Morgan crediting the builder as LMS/BR Wolverton Works. So it appears that the LNER did not build them for the LMSR after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) I have now found the book! The LMS ones were built in 5 lots between 1945 and 1949, Messrs. Essery and Morgan crediting the builder as LMS/BR Wolverton Works. So it appears that the LNER did not build them for the LMSR after all. There were some built before 1944 by the LMS:- Lot 1344 Derby 1944 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h3d374d36#h240dd6f3 The first wagons to this Lot were built in 1943. The LNER may not have built them for the LMS, but they certainly seemed to have done the design work. Edited December 12, 2016 by Fat Controller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 There were some built before 1944 by the LMS:- Lot 1344 Derby 1944 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h3d374d36#h240dd6f3 The first wagons to this Lot were built in 1943. The LNER may not have built them for the LMS, but they certainly seemed to have done the design work. I was referring to LMS double bolsters (diag. 2105) in my post. The book reveals that the LMS also produced Long Low wagons (diag. 2083) which were like the LNER Plate. 550 of these were built at Derby and/or Wolverton between 1944 and '49 in 5 lots. If you have info to suggest that the first were built in 1943, so be it. The LMS and LNER seemed to cooperate over the design of special vehicles during WW2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I was referring to LMS double bolsters (diag. 2105) in my post. The book reveals that the LMS also produced Long Low wagons (diag. 2083) which were like the LNER Plate. 550 of these were built at Derby and/or Wolverton between 1944 and '49 in 5 lots. If you have info to suggest that the first were built in 1943, so be it. The LMS and LNER seemed to cooperate over the design of special vehicles during WW2. The 1943 build I referred to were 'Plate' wagons by the time Mr Bartlett had photographed them:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h2b68de51#h2b68de51 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) The 1943 build I referred to were 'Plate' wagons by the time Mr Bartlett had photographed them:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h2b68de51#h2b68de51 I don't understand this, that wagon was always a PLATE. The bolsters were in the 72xxxx series. Such as this one, which TMC are doing http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/e3ba43ac2 Notice the extra support on the solebar central above the axleguard. Paul Edited December 13, 2016 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I don't understand this, that wagon was always a plate. The bolsters were in the 72xxxx series. Such as this one, which TMC are doing http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/e3ba43ac2 Notice the extra support on the solebar central above the axleguard. Paul I wasn't sure which were built as Plates and which were 'debolstered' Double Bolsters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben04uk Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Pictures of all of the variations are up on TMC's website now: http://www.themodelcentre.com/all-tmc-limited-editions/?sort=alphaasc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted December 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2016 Pictures of all of the variations are up on TMC's website now: http://www.themodelcentre.com/all-tmc-limited-editions/?sort=alphaasc Oh no... my Winkle will no longer be as unique Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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