Garethp8873 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) Whilst in the Members Lounge today at Warley, I happened to gaze upon these deightul new 22T Double Bolster wagons which are being made in collaboration with Bachmann and The Model Centre. If they're coming out in Grouping liveries I can see some making an appearence on the layout... Edited December 11, 2016 by Garethp8873 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Ooo yes please to grouping liveries, they look useful for transporting military goods Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) Was a very unexpected surprise to see them too GreenGiraffe22. Alongside my happiness with the Hornby SR Cattle wagons and forthcoming GWR Toads, I am looking forward to seeing this wagon and what liveries are planned... Edited November 26, 2016 by Garethp8873 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted November 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2016 Alas another Parkside wagon copied. Surely they could of done a plate with 8 shoe gear instead. Griff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) Well anyone thinking of Tynedock/ Consett with steel plate and Q6's with hoppers I think these will fit in very nicely leaving the steel works! I wonder if they will do the Parkside style versions with trestle as well! Could make a great couple of trains when combined with 9F's Q7's Q6's.... no doubt TMC have at least a couple of these in thought! Edited November 27, 2016 by DougN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Alas another Parkside wagon copied. Surely they could of done a plate with 8 shoe gear instead. Griff The Parkside kit has been in production for many years and is showing its age! It should have been retooled many years ago to improve it to the standard/detail of later kits! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 The Parkside kit has been in production for many years and is showing its age! It should have been retooled many years ago to improve it to the standard/detail of later kits! Mark Saunders I've converted several of the Parkside kits to vac-fitted examples of both BR and LNER types. Whilst I found the bodywork reasonable, the solebars seemed too shallow, and the W-irons were wrong for later wagons. Perhaps more obviously, the brackets that supported the outer edges of the floor are absent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 27, 2016 Author Share Posted November 27, 2016 I have several of the PD Double Bolsters myself as they were originally going to get refurbished but now will be sold on. Also I don't think it would've been easy to put on the HMRS transfers so the TMC have actually helped me big time. Pleased as well that they've chosen this version and not the LMS Bolster Wagon D1674 done by SlimRails as I am currently having one refurbished...!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 If the Vacuum fitted one comes out then there is scope for the Timber P and Plaice to follow! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) ANOTHER Parkside kit they've ripped off .................................... STOP IT Bachmann, have some bloody integrity !! Edit: sorry, already noted above but I'm still registering my pissed-offness ..................... Edited November 27, 2016 by Southernman46 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted November 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2016 The Parkside kit has been in production for many years and is showing its age! It should have been retooled many years ago to improve it to the standard/detail of later kits! Mark Saunders It maybe long in the tooth and I take your point about retooling but in my opinion any reasonably skilled modeller could knock one out to the same standard as those on display above. Griff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 I can finally replace my Hornby-Dublo ones.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted November 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2016 I can finally replace my Hornby-Dublo ones.. I don't know if I should use 'friendly/supportive' or 'funny' Griff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 It maybe long in the tooth and I take your point about retooling but in my opinion any reasonably skilled modeller could knock one out to the same standard as those on display above. Griff If the same was said of every long in the tooth/tired kit then the Airfix and early Ian Kirk/Parkside kits would be all the world wanted! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted November 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2016 ... are they not. I have some minerals on my workbench. They are getting some tasty Masokits brake parts and they should dress up nicely into some 8 shoe AVB wagons (the most common type of vacuumed 16T) yet not one produced by the manufacturers. It's a sad and lonely life being a railway modeller. All this self flagellation, building kits like these is akin to being a monk. I call it fun 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Is this tooling owned by TMC or just a period of Exclusive release for first models? I remember in the Summer in Rail Express Bachmann stated they were to stop producing exclusive models for others as it was delaying their own releases. I think they said the Kernow 4tc was to be the last? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium it's-er Posted November 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2016 Is this tooling owned by TMC or just a period of Exclusive release for first models? I remember in the Summer in Rail Express Bachmann stated they were to stop producing exclusive models for others as it was delaying their own releases. I think they said the Kernow 4tc was to be the last? I've been surprised that after Bachmann stated they weren't going to do commissions for others, a number have been announced. There is Kernow's 4TC, TMC's over rail signal box and I think several others. I suspect Bachmann's intention applies for the future, so they can concentrate on their own products and avoid the long gestation period of some of these, but they had a number of commissioned projects already in the pipeline. I think the double bolster wagon is one of these. I first heard about it in June 2015 when visiting TMC - here we are 17 months later and it has just been announced! But seeing those photographs above - it is worth the wait! John Storey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I don't see how this is 'ripping off' Parkside; All TMC/Bachmann have is exactly what Parkside did, namely to choose to model a wagon which will be popular and sell well. I have constructed several Parkside Double Bolster and Plate wagons, but it is a time consuming process, not helped by having to buy, as well as the kit, paint, transfers, and nowadays metal wheels, as Parkside now supply plastic wheels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I don't see how this is 'ripping off' Parkside; All TMC/Bachmann have is exactly what Parkside did, namely to choose to model a wagon which will be popular and sell well. I have constructed several Parkside Double Bolster and Plate wagons, but it is a time consuming process, not helped by having to buy, as well as the kit, paint, transfers, and nowadays metal wheels, as Parkside now supply plastic wheels. When did Parkside resume the supply of plastic wheels? Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2016 From Parkside Dundas website home page (My italics and underline) 00 Gauge 4mm Scale Our kits have plastic parts made in top quality material, manufactured to our specification. Where ever possible components are moulded in the same colour as the prototype part. Romford wheels, with brass bearings are included as standard. However we will glady exchange these for Alan Gibson wheels in 00, EM or 18.83, subject of course to availability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 The last 4 or 5 Parkside kits I have bought, all 21T Mineral wagons, had plastic wheels, which I have replaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium it's-er Posted November 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2016 Can anyone point to a quick history of these wagons? I think they are originally an LNER design? John Storey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) Can anyone point to a quick history of these wagons? I think they are originally an LNER design? John Storey Correct John, the wagon is a LNER design built under Diagram 168 between 1942 and 1946 at Darlington and Shildon Works of which 1250 were built in total. 1942 Darlington 500 250398-897 1943 Darlington 200 260148-347 1944 Darlington 200 265700-899 1945 Shildon 100 278279-378 1946 Shildon 250 286259-508 Edited November 30, 2016 by Garethp8873 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted November 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2016 Nice looking wagon....May get a few of these.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 caradoc, on 29 Nov 2016 - 13:32, said:I don't see how this is 'ripping off' Parkside; All TMC/Bachmann have is exactly what Parkside did, namely to choose to model a wagon which will be popular and sell well. I There are a few different variants they could have done - welded, vac braked etc rather than the exact same version. For some of their vans and opens there are several variants, some more common, and they still did the same one as Parkside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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