philsandy Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Contemplating buying a green BR 5 MT from Hattons as they are at a good price, £82. I assume when BR started painting some locos in lined green they were on the Western Region. Does anyone know if any ever found there way up to Manchester, and approx. dates, running numbers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Manchester area allocations for green liveried standard 5's. 73014/26/40 Bolton from 4/66, 73040 moved on to Patricroft 4/68 73034/95 Agecroft from 4/66, 73034 moved on to Patricroft 10/66 73035/94/96/97 Patricroft from 7/65 73014/40 were Eastleigh green repaints not allocated to the WR during their 'green' period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philsandy Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 Manchester area allocations for green liveried standard 5's. 73014/26/40 Bolton from 4/66, 73040 moved on to Patricroft 4/68 73034/95 Agecroft from 4/66, 73034 moved on to Patricroft 10/66 73035/94/96/97 Patricroft from 7/65 73014/40 were Eastleigh green repaints not allocated to the WR during their 'green' period. Thanks Paul, all the information I need there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Glad to be of help, I'm a great fan of Standard 5's ( I have 6, including a Caprotti version)), by todays prices £82 is ok. If run in properly, it'll probably struggle with more than 8 coaches, replace motor with a Mashima 1426 ( if you can get one !), it'll increase haulage by 50%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Glad to be of help, I'm a great fan of Standard 5's ( I have 6, including a Caprotti version)), by todays prices £82 is ok. If run in properly, it'll probably struggle with more than 8 coaches, replace motor with a Mashima 1426 ( if you can get one !), it'll increase haulage by 50%. I used to have 73068, but that was sold (it fetched just £28 on eBay!!) after I managed to find the one I really wanted: 73082. The late Geoff Brewin sold me a Comet chassis kit to go under the body, so that means I can stick a Portescap in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 In 1966, I saw several green ones, including double chimney versions, at Bank Hall shed, Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
73080 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Which 73000s had double chimneys ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2016 Which 73000s had double chimneys ? None Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 In 1966, I saw several green ones, including double chimney versions, at Bank Hall shed, Liverpool. You probably mean class 4. For the double chimney my money would be on either 75004 / 75006. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2016 Glad to be of help, I'm a great fan of Standard 5's ( I have 6, including a Caprotti version)), by todays prices £82 is ok. If run in properly, it'll probably struggle with more than 8 coaches, replace motor with a Mashima 1426 ( if you can get one !), it'll increase haulage by 50%. I have 73110, and like Ivan, fancy 73082. Neither is really my era nor my location, but they were a class I admired. Indeed, on my first day train-spotting, at Clapham Junction in 1960, 73089 Maid of Astolat came creeping up the Windsor side with a freight and left an impression while awaiting signals. The Class 5s seemed thoroughly modern compared with the rusty and neglected N15s and Nelsons on the mainline, as of course they were. I note that despite there being only 20 Southern examples, it took more than 3 years for them all to be named - 73089 being named in May 1959, while 73116 Iseult wasn't named until September 1962. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 About 1980 - ish, the Camelot Locomotive Society published a small booklet 'The Standard Arthurs', which gave a good insight into the class, invaluable to Standard class 5 fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2016 About 1980 - ish, the Camelot Locomotive Society published a small booklet 'The Standard Arthurs', which gave a good insight into the class, invaluable to Standard class 5 fans. The Irwell Press volume sits on my shelf, next to those for Arthurs, Light Pacifics and T9s. Invaluable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub45565 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 73014/40 were Eastleigh green repaints not allocated to the WR during their 'green' period. Interesting, so presumably those ones didnt get the WR route indicator (single red?) blob? I've got several tomes on standards in general, and the David Clarke book on 5s specifically - it seems to have its critics, but I find it a useful book and anyone who doesnt currently have it can pick it up for £1.13 (+ P&P) via Amazon at the moment! Other vendors available, though they might not price match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2016 Interesting, so presumably those ones didnt get the WR route indicator (single red?) blob? I've got several tomes on standards in general, and the David Clarke book on 5s specifically - it seems to have its critics, but I find it a useful book and anyone who doesnt currently have it can pick it up for £1.13 (+ P&P) via Amazon at the moment! Other vendors available, though they might not price match. 73014 was painted green during a GO at Eastleigh 30.1.64 - 14.3.64. It then was shedded at Bletchley, then successively Oxley, Banbury, Bolton. 73040 was similarly painted in 12.65, at which stage it was allocated to Croes Newydd. It moved to Bolton and then Patricroft before withdrawal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 At least one Standard 5 was (re)painted green at Derby in the 60s but I cant remember which one (it may be recorded in a Railway Observer as the RCTS were regular visitors). I do remember spending part of one lunch break watching one of the paint shop guys doing the lining by hand following the chalked lines - enthralling!. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 The full list of green repaints is in the second volume of the RCTS series on standard locos ( page 30), but I can't see Derby listed there, Darlington, Doncaster, even Cowlairs, apart from Swindon, Wolverhampton, and Eastleigh - but no Derby. The Irwell Press volume sits on my shelf, next to those for Arthurs, Light Pacifics and T9s. Invaluable. The Irwell book is good, I have that also. But occasionally small publications appear with useful snippets of info not found elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 The full list of green repaints is in the second volume of the RCTS series on standard locos ( page 30), but I can't see Derby listed there, Darlington, Doncaster, even Cowlairs, apart from Swindon, Wolverhampton, and Eastleigh - but no Derby. The book is not fully comprehensive then. That's not a criticism of the book, just that some details obviously slip through the net. I wasn't dreaming, I was there! Similarly the RCTS book on the Jubilee 4-6-0's (sic) claims that 45700 was cut up at Crewe (presumably as per the record cards) whereas it was actually cut up at Albert Looms at Spondon. Edit: I could be that the RCTS only recorded the change from black to green rather than repaints at overhauls when already in green. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted October 7, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2016 73014 was painted green during a GO at Eastleigh 30.1.64 - 14.3.64. It then was shedded at Bletchley It was indeed a Bletchley Engine, one of my favorites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Glad to be of help, I'm a great fan of Standard 5's ( I have 6, including a Caprotti version)), by todays prices £82 is ok. If run in properly, it'll probably struggle with more than 8 coaches, replace motor with a Mashima 1426 ( if you can get one !), it'll increase haulage by 50%. I bought an SR one, 73110 I think, when they came out - it became 73156 for my ER layout after some mods. The haulage was so poor I bought a second Bachmann motor, which was a bit better, added weight, and carefully relubricated. Your idea of a Mashima I'm sure is a good one, and I do have some in stock, but I wonder if the worm off the Bachmann example will fit directly onto the Mashima? They are indeed a bonny model, and I'd have thought good value at £82 these days. Many thanks, John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 , but I wonder if the worm off the Bachmann example will fit directly onto the Mashima? They are indeed a bonny model, and I'd have thought good value at £82 these days. Many thanks, John. Glad you asked, I forgot to add, I last bought a Bachmann standard 5 about 4 or 5 years ago, on each one I fitted a replacement motor, and worm, from Branchlines ( it was Westbury by then ), but I haven't dealt with them since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_man Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 A lightly weathered lined green 73026 at Bolton in June 1967... A more heavily weathered 73048 also at Bolton on the same day, not sure what colour it had been painted... Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 73048 appears to have 'Scottish' numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 8, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2016 And 73026 looks far too good to go to the scrapper.... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 73048 appears to have 'Scottish' numbers. As with the infamous 47482 ( number under crest on tank NE style), and lesser famous 48045, it's 10 inch numerals were applied at Darlington. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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