RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted October 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2016 Sorry I left off the DCC sound options - now sorted. If anyone has already placed an order you can add DCC sound at any point by purchaing the DCC sound upgrade: https://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/dcc-sound/ - that won't work if you want to use the payment plan. If you would like to upgrade a payment plan 92 order to DCC sound then please email me and I will refund your original order so you can place a new order. Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Hi, Just tried ordering and it says product unavailable on all the class 92 versions. Am I doing something wrong?? Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted October 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2016 Hi, Just tried ordering and it says product unavailable on all the class 92 versions. Am I doing something wrong?? Best regards, Jeremy Working fine for me? Have to now select DC or DCC Sound from the drop down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted October 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2016 Just tried ordering and it says product unavailable on all the class 92 versions. Am I doing something wrong?? Hi Jeremy That might have been mid-change to add the DCC sound option. Can you try again at some point? Hopefully I've not broken anything! Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Hi Jeremy That might have been mid-change to add the DCC sound option. Can you try again at some point? Hopefully I've not broken anything! Cheers, Mike Hi Mike, It's still not working and there is still no DCC option. However, I've just tried from my mobile and it works fine. Must be just when I try on the PC. Best regards, Jeremy Edited October 20, 2016 by cornish trains jez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted October 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2016 Hit CTRL + F5 (if on a PC) to get an uncached version - sounds like you have the cached version from just before I made the change. We've had orders ince the changes so I don't think I've broken things! Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted October 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2016 Hi Mike, It's still not working and there is still no DCC option. However, I've just tried from my mobile and it works fine. Must be just when I try on the PC. Best regards, Jeremy Hi I ordered mine at around 13:40 and the DCC sound option was there then. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Hit CTRL + F5 (if on a PC) to get an uncached version - sounds like you have the cached version from just before I made the change. We've had orders ince the changes so I don't think I've broken things! Cheers, Mike Hi Mike, It's working now! I've ordered 4! Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I’d only be interested in an 00 version, so you N-gaugers will probably tell me to shut up. I was thinking that the Caledonian livery is very dark and it might be a good idea to give it a bit more sheen than the others to give the model a bit of a lift. Retreating back under my stone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnshutts Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Hi guys, I've placed my orders but wondered whether the current prices are "early bird" in the same way as previously announced models or if the payment plan (great idea by the way) is replacing it? Regards John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 20, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2016 Hi ND, Thanks for that. We certainly tweaked the colours on the TEA tankers from the first samples to final production, and I suspect we will do the same with the 92 if, when we get the models, something doesn't look right. Colour can be very deceptive and often the right colour looks darker than it should on small scale models. Cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2016 I have no doubt at all that there is a scale effect for colour and that in general model colours need to be lighter than the actual prototype colour. One comment, and I'm sure Ben and Red Death are already aware, but paints can be sensitive to artificial lighting and look quite different depending on whether you look at a model in natural lighting or under fluorescent lighting etc. So when considering colour make sure you check the samples under different lighting and definitely in natural light. A few people in the past have been caught out by that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 The blue of Hornby’s King has attracted no criticism of which I am aware, except from me, which I’m sure tells you something. I suggested that the shade is too light, assuming that preservationists have got the shade of BR “steam” blue right. This is a link to a video showing three locomotives in blue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFA3z_d_iio It occurs to me that in the opening sequence, the locomotives appear to be about the size of models, of course depending on the size of your screen. From this, let me say at least that it is important not to overdo lightening the shade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted October 22, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2016 Colours are very slippery things and the scaling effect is sensitive to colour I think. British racing green is a very dark colour, if you paint a 1/43 model car in true brg then it looks almost black. BR blue is another one that is very dark if you try using the actual colour on a model. However I do agree that the effect alters for lighter colours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davepallant Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Hi Supaned, Good point about the Mk3s - chiming very much with some of the input on the Dapol Digest thread. The Dapol Mk3s are pretty decent, in my view, and I am thinking that a Mk sleeper would require a new bodyshell, new glazing unit and, maybe, a new roof? Other than that would the bogies, underframe skirt etc be as already available? Cheers Ben A. I think the bigger problem might be the numerous modern Mk2s needed in the same livery and that might require the involvement of another manufacturer with matching livery colours... Or, even better, a new modern Mk2 that isn't a painted clear shell? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 23, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2016 Hi Dave, Yes, there are other vehicles besides the sleepers in the consist but I think, in the first instance, the sleepers are the big missing link. I believe Farish have improved air con Mk2s on the way - I would hope these will provide a good starting point. Cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Hi Ben, Maybe Revolution trains could consider a MK3 sleeper coach pack to go with the Caledonian 92?? I'd definitely be up for a few as I'm sure others would be too! Worth a thought and maybe a poll to gauge take up?!? Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 24, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2016 Hello all, I am the first to admit that coaching stock is not my forte, and I'm always ready to listen to those who know more than I do! I have looked at photographs, and as far as I can tell the bodyshells are all the same, with pairs of square windows (on the compartment side?) and single square windows on the other side. Some are listed as SLED (standard sleeper) and some as SLEP (sleeping car pantry). Is there a visible difference between them? Could the same bodyshell be used for both? The other question is around roofs and underframes. Again, from photographs the roofs looks similar to standard trailers. Would the models be acceptable if they used existing roof and underframe mouldings? This, along with the same bogies and other parts, would mean essentially that the models would require just a new bodyshell, glazing unit and interior and make them significantly more feasible. For me, crowdfunding is just about modellers putting their money into projects to make them happen, but also their knowledge too. Some will have seen that our Class B tankers largely came about because of the input from enthusiasts on the N Gauge Forum, and there is no reason we could not take a similar approach with the sleepers. Cheers Ben A. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Hi Ben, Some Mk3 Sleeper drawings here on page 225. http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/Diagram_Book_200_for_issue.pdf Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 24, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2016 Hi Jeremy, Very helpful, thanks. So the pantry and standard sleeper cars have the same bodyshell; but the pantry has one sleeping compartment used instead as a staff mess area. Cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eddie reffin Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 The Mk3 sleeper is a massive gap in the market. Not only for current operations here in Scotland and South West but for various other periods of post 1980s modelling. Selling the current Caledonian Sleeper coaches in packs of three would be ideal as the operations at present mean we have 6 Mk3s to Inverness and 3 each to Fort William and Aberdeen. I would love to model the entire 16 coach version inc Mk2s so it would be a big thumbs up from me if a decent spec Mk3 sleeper came on the market. Also, the Royal Scotsman has 2 Sleepers on it, and although there are some modifications to the, would still be fairly easy to model if a decent base model available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Hi, I would definitely be up for some Caledonian versions and also some Intercity executive/swallow versions. If they were to be packs of three, I'd certainly have 6! Best regards, Jeremy P.S Do we need to start a MK3 sleeper interest page to save taking over the 92 thread?!!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davepallant Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I think the bigger problem might be the numerous modern Mk2s needed in the same livery and that might require the involvement of another manufacturer with matching livery colours... Or, even better, a new modern Mk2 that isn't a painted clear shell? Hi Dave, Yes, there are other vehicles besides the sleepers in the consist but I think, in the first instance, the sleepers are the big missing link. I believe Farish have improved air con Mk2s on the way - I would hope these will provide a good starting point. Cheers Ben A. Thanks for the reply Ben. Good new aircon Mk2s is a must for me since I'm not into paint stripper and/or self adhesive sides. Not just for the sleeper support coaches but also the DRS coaches used here and there! I've ordered three of the 92s and I'm really excited to be supporting you on another project. See you at Warley. Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 24, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2016 Hi Jeremy, As far as I am concerned the sleeper discussion is useful here as for many people the Sleepers go hand-in-hand with the Caledonian 92, and as this is a thread I watch I see all the input! It may be worth starting something on the N Gauge Forum though, where there are some other similar suggestion threads. You'll know that there is a fair bit of work involved in going from a thread discussion to a properly costed and considered plan, and this will take some time. If Revolution were to go with the Mk3 sleeper it would probably be a project for Q2 2017. The very last of the TEA tankers have now been dispatched, and I need to get a few things ready for our stand at the Warley show, where we are announcing another modern wagon and showing the final approval sample of the Pendolino and first shots of the KFA and hi cube containers. Next year we are attending Model Rail Scotland, the York show, TINGS and Warley again and, depending on how things go (and the ongoing Sterling difficulties) we would hope to continue to show clear progress and delivery of existing models, with a measured and coherent strategy of useful new proposals unveiled at these events. Cheers Ben A. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I have started a topic on the N Gauge Forum to discuss drawing together stock and locos from the various manufacturers suitable for sleeping car trains from the Mk3 era. http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=1599 That can include how to create the Caledonian Sleeper in its current guise, and prior to the arrival of the Mk5s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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