GordonC Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, ianmacc said: Just curious why there was an odd class 81/AL1 built in 1964 - so long after the other 24? Assuming of course Wikipedia is correct. Was there not originally a plan to have Type A passenger and Type B freight locos which were geared differently. Was that one intended as a Type B loco before the idea was abandoned? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Southof1E top tmd Posted February 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2021 A nice image from the late Tony Ewer with 90009 storming North near Tring with the 1900Euston - Manchester on June 29th 1993 NR http://www.leightonlogs.org 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted February 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2021 Freightliner 90009 and 90014 'Over the Rainbow' pass through Brighouse on 15th February 2021 with 66951 providing the motive power, working 0E90, 07.52 Crewe Basford Hall to Leeds Balm Road. Not exactly a regular occurrence seeing class 90s along the Calder Valley, but becoming more common as this is the second such working this year. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpb56125 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 90007 & 90008 still in Anglia livery working Felixstowe FLT to Garston FLT at Runcorn on 16th February 2021. https://mark5812.smugmug.com/Trains-2021/February-2021/i-tZd3SSj/A Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Sounds like it is the end of the line for the class 86s in normal service the last operational one was put into storage on Wednesday, following a minor compressor fault. 86632 has now been moved to the DHLT pool. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted February 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, luckymucklebackit said: Sounds like it is the end of the line for the class 86s in normal service the last operational one was put into storage on Wednesday, following a minor compressor fault. 86632 has now been moved to the DHLT pool. Jim To paraphrase Mark Twain, "Rumours of the demise of the Class 86 has been greatly exaggerated". Once freight returns to normal, they'll very likely be reinstated. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Northmoor said: To paraphrase Mark Twain, "Rumours of the demise of the Class 86 has been greatly exaggerated". Once freight returns to normal, they'll very likely be reinstated. Hi Northmoor, They could have been used on freight traffic through the tunnel to Northern Ireland, but alas we will never know !!! Gibbo. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted February 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Northmoor, They could have been used on freight traffic through the tunnel to Northern Ireland, but alas we will never know !!! Gibbo. Careful Now!!! Theres a new article in today's Guardian on the subject (which I'm not linking to) but would just like to say has a cracking photo of Big Water of Fleet viaduct. Cheers Darius Down with this sort of thing!!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Darius43 said: Careful Now!!! Theres a new article in today's Guardian on the subject (which I'm not linking to) but would just like to say has a cracking photo of Big Water of Fleet viaduct. Cheers Darius Down with this sort of thing!!! Hi Darius, We few, we happy few. Burned to a Crispin ! Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Poor Old Bruce Posted February 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2021 E3059, seen at Crewe, 11 June 1962 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2021 On 07/02/2021 at 20:25, ianmacc said: Just curious why there was an odd class 81/AL1 built in 1964 - so long after the other 24? Assuming of course Wikipedia is correct. That one is a bit of a mystery. They were built by BRCW who stopped loco production in 1962 IIRC. Build / in service dates quoted for the last one E3302 / E3097 in various sources vary from April 1962 to February 1964. I suspect that this is because it was originally intended to have special gearing for freight work but this was found to have little advantage when E3301 entered service so it was stored until converted to the same gearing as the rest of the class. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Clearwater Posted February 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2021 I did ask, ages ago, and no-one seemed to know how the AL1s were delivered from BRCW Smethwick. I’d assume they must have been towed to somewhere with wires which makes me think of a tatty, heavily weathered Grange or Hall dragging a shiny new electric away from Smethwick. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post rodent279 Posted February 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) A couple of photos taken by my father, who worked on the electrification from Roade into Euston. AL4 no. E3043 & AL2 E3053 stand with a test car on the Up Slow line at Bourne End, in July 1965, believed to be either section proving between Bourne End & Tring, or testing the neutral section/feeder station at Bourne End. This would be one of the first times that an AC electric loco raised its pan south of Bletchley. Edit:- looking at his diary, I now believe this to be on or near 19th July 1965, as the Roade-Tring-Queens Park section was energised on that date. Edited March 6, 2021 by rodent279 27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 On 20/02/2021 at 08:59, Poor Old Bruce said: E3059, seen at Crewe, 11 June 1962 @Mini Wistaston junctionhey, check this out, three electric pre TOPS locos, what looks like 85s, sat in the bay where the DRS57 lives these days AND what was probably an active steam train to the left of it ... hard to imagine Electric replacing steam, isnt it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 20 hours ago, DBC90024 said: @Mini Wistaston junctionhey, check this out, three electric pre TOPS locos, what looks like 85s, sat in the bay where the DRS57 lives these days AND what was probably an active steam train to the left of it ... hard to imagine Electric replacing steam, isnt it ? That certainly was an active steam loco to the left. That's the was it was for a while in the 1960s. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 08221 Posted February 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2021 90002 passing Rugeley north junction with 0Z91, 09:49 Euston to Crewe on 25 February 2021. 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 5 hours ago, 08221 said: 90002 passing Rugeley north junction with 0Z91, 09:49 Euston to Crewe on 25 February 2021. Great shot there The DB90s might not be busy at the moment but the Freightliner and LSL ones are still getting runs out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmacc Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 On 25/02/2021 at 13:42, 08221 said: 90002 passing Rugeley north junction with 0Z91, 09:49 Euston to Crewe on 25 February 2021. Great to see the original livery on it too. My first thought was it was a picture from 30 years ago. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 On 25/02/2021 at 13:42, 08221 said: 90002 passing Rugeley north junction with 0Z91, 09:49 Euston to Crewe on 25 February 2021. @Mini Wistaston junction LSL 90002 out yesterday ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 A BR promotional photo taken at Longsight in 1967.... Almost fresh out of the box, E3132 at Crewe in May 1966, photo by Robert Payne.... 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 On 07/02/2021 at 20:31, GordonC said: Was there not originally a plan to have Type A passenger and Type B freight locos which were geared differently. Was that one intended as a Type B loco before the idea was abandoned? It was intended to have Type A for passenger work and type B for freight work , the Type B locos, were geared down versions for freight speeds of one of the passenger classes, I think they were to be numbered in the E3300 series. but the locos became passenger geared locos. On a separate issue, the BR Electrification Plan referred to 6 axle locos for freight and 4 axle locos for passenger work, I have never seen any line drawings of any proposed 6 axle locos for the WCML electrification 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted February 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2021 On 24/02/2021 at 10:31, Poor Old Bruce said: That certainly was an active steam loco to the left. That's the was it was for a while in the 1960s. The mistake is often made that the chronological sequence was strictly horse / steam / diesel / electric; some simple googling will reveal that electric preceded diesel; albeit in relatively restricted geographical areas and applications. John Isherwood. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted February 26, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 hours ago, cctransuk said: The mistake is often made that the chronological sequence was strictly horse / steam / diesel / electric; some simple googling will reveal that electric preceded diesel; albeit in relatively restricted geographical areas and applications. John Isherwood. Indeed, the wires were in some cases put up with steam locos. For a long time, the southern end of the WCML at least was maybe not quite diesel free, but certainly majority electric traction by far. Nowadays it's a much more equal split (or so it seems)! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Pandora said: It was intended to have Type A for passenger work and type B for freight work , the Type B locos, were geared down versions for freight speeds of one of the passenger classes, I think they were to be numbered in the E3300 series. but the locos became passenger geared locos. On a separate issue, the BR Electrification Plan referred to 6 axle locos for freight and 4 axle locos for passenger work, I have never seen any line drawings of any proposed 6 axle locos for the WCML electrification See Class 92 .. only too late arriving ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted February 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27, 2021 10 hours ago, rodent279 said: Indeed, the wires were in some cases put up with steam locos. For a long time, the southern end of the WCML at least was maybe not quite diesel free, but certainly majority electric traction by far. Nowadays it's a much more equal split (or so it seems)! I was thinking more of some of the early electrification schemes - NER, LBSCR, etc., etc. I think that I am correct in saying that electric traction preceded the invention of diesel traction. John Isherwood. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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