RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 28 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28 43 minutes ago, Paul Cram said: I always assumed that horse boxes were for carrying horses not being pulled by them. There were class distinctions among horses every bit as strong as among people. 1 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 10 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: There were class distinctions among horses every bit as strong as among people. Especially so considering it cost more to send a horse by train in a horsebox than for a 1st class passenger ticket. (Source: J. Lewis in GWRJ) 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted June 29 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 29 "a horse by train in a horsebox" Better than the horse sharing your compartment though. J 1 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 23 hours ago, corneliuslundie said: "a horse by train in a horsebox" Better than the horse sharing your compartment though. J I thought I should make a distinction knowing that horses were also conveyed in (sheeted) cattle wagons 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 30 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 30 47 minutes ago, richbrummitt said: I thought I should make a distinction knowing that horses were also conveyed in (sheeted) cattle wagons In 1913, the Midland Railway conveyed 13,675 horses by goods train, as traffic originating at their own stations, which pro-rata probably means no more than 20,000 in total - about 400 per week on average. The company had around 400 passenger-rated horseboxes; assuming each of these was used on average at least twice a week, perhaps twice as many horses by passenger train as by goods train. Very rough guestimate. 3 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 1 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1 A work of destruction... ... on the Colin Ashby sleeper wagon. As received, it was sitting too low, the axleguard units being glued directly to the floor. These I can re-use. The whitemetal springs I have discarded, as they broke as i removed the axleguards. Anyone recognise these axleguards? There's no indication etched on them. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFPettigrew Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 41 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Anyone recognise these axleguards? They look like Bill Bedford ones (as used to be available from Eileen's Emporium, and will soon be again from the Scalefour Stores) but could be something similar. All the best Neil 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dominion Posted July 1 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1 On 27/06/2024 at 13:41, Ian Kirk said: Not sure if this is the right place to post this. Some years ago a Mr Stelfox commissioned from me a 4mm kit for a GER open wagon. IIRC only 500 were produced and there was never a re run. I recently found the brass plates which have the details of the mould on and although I now have a different moulding machine and it would not be entirely straightforward I wondered if I could get it to run again. I contacted Mr Stelfox (now a fellow member of the Gauge O Guild) and he has no further interest in it. So, would there be interest in re introducing this kit? Profit if any could go to a railway charity. IIRC it was a GER 5 1/2 plank wagon ( I must look out the drawings but it was a long time ago) best wishes, Ian Oooh that would be lovely. I have had that kit on my eBay search list for years and have only ever seen it come up once in all that time and I missed it. Instead my eBay search often rewards me with listings for the Personal Services DVD with Julie Walter’s and Shirley Stelfox ! I did see the wagon assembled and running at the Great British Train Show in Toronto a couple of months ago and very nice it looked too. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chas Levin Posted July 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3 On 01/07/2024 at 18:20, Compound2632 said: A work of destruction... ... on the Colin Ashby sleeper wagon. As received, it was sitting too low, the axleguard units being glued directly to the floor. These I can re-use. The whitemetal springs I have discarded, as they broke as i removed the axleguards. Anyone recognise these axleguards? There's no indication etched on them. Which railway company's Sleeper Wagon is that please, Stephen? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 3 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3 Just now, Chas Levin said: Which railway company's Sleeper Wagon is that please, Stephen? Midland. Discussed in tedious detail here: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chas Levin Posted July 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3 1 minute ago, Compound2632 said: Midland. Discussed in tedious detail here: Thanks Stephen - I should probably have added that I assumed it was MR (or failing that LMS?) but wanted to check! I don't think the detail's tedious, it's valuable info (IMHO). Very much enjoyed the latest 'Modelling the MR' 😀. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mikeallerton Posted July 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3 25 minutes ago, Chas Levin said: Very much enjoyed the latest 'Modelling the MR' 😀. Likewise. As Midland modellers we are very well served by Stephen. Thank you 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted July 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3 (edited) As a non-Midland modeller (well I inevitably have to have to have a few items) I would echo the two comments above. Your posts and analyses are invaluable Stephen. Edited July 3 by Andy Hayter 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 3 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, Andy Hayter said: As a non-Midland modeller (well I inevitably have to have to have a few items) I would echo the two comments above. Your posts and analyses are invaluable Stephen. Copies of 'Modelling the Midland' are available to non-members for £7.50 on application: https://midlandrailway.org.uk/sales/index.html or at exhibitions at which the Society has a stand, of which the following are upcoming: Railex Buxton - 6/7 July Guildex, Stafford - 7*/8 Sept Scaleforum, High Wycombe - 21*/22* Sept Warley at Statfold - 12*/13* Oct GETS, MK - 12/13 Oct NFoRM, NEC - 23/24 Nov* *Me. Not sure yet which day for the NEC. New website with online shop coming soon-ish. Edited July 3 by Compound2632 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy Vincent Posted July 3 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3 On 21/06/2024 at 02:01, Andy Vincent said: On 20/06/2024 at 22:11, WFPettigrew said: If only. There are - to my knowledge - only two surving FR wagon works drawings. Wearing my HMRS hat, we have a GA drawing of a Furness Railway 4 plank wagon built in 1864 - "4 Plank Mineral, 8ft 6ins w/b, 14ft o/b". I have asked if we can have this scanned to see if this adds anything to this discussion Having heard back from our drawings archivist who has looked at the drawing (reference 19982), the spacing between solebars on this Furness wagon is 5ft 11.5in and the solebars are 12in x 4.5in 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFPettigrew Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 52 minutes ago, Andy Vincent said: Having heard back from our drawings archivist who has looked at the drawing (reference 19982), the spacing between solebars on this Furness wagon is 5ft 11.5in and the solebars are 12in x 4.5in Thanks Andy. This is rather supportive towards 6' (or just under) between the solebars on other 1860/70s era FR wagons. I still need to find the time to sit down and try and work out what's going on with the buffer guides/strapbolts/solebar positions. Been rather hectic of late and not going to ease up for a couple of weeks yet, but it's on the list of things to do.. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 3 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3 2 hours ago, Andy Vincent said: the spacing between solebars on this Furness wagon is 5ft 11.5in and the solebars are 12in x 4.5in Rather suggestive of 6' 4" centres of journals; for the modeller the key thing is it's 6' 8½" over outside faces of solebars. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted July 4 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 4 As this seems to be the font of all wagon-related knowledge, may I refer anyone with an interest in the S&DJR to my post in that company's forum. So far it has elicited no response there. Perhaps I had better build my best guess, post the result and then get the rebuttals.😏 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 4 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 4 7 hours ago, phil_sutters said: As this seems to be the font of all wagon-related knowledge, may I refer anyone with an interest in the S&DJR to my post in that company's forum. So far it has elicited no response there. Perhaps I had better build my best guess, post the result and then get the rebuttals.😏 See my responses in that thread. It's highly pertinent to the cattle wagon in progress; you've got me distracted onto S&DJR wagon numbering again. In other news, my summer holiday light reading has arrived: 10 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 5 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 5 I was much taken with the opening paragraph of the above book, which quotes Thomas Grey, Observations on a General Iron Railway, Showing its Great Superiority Over all the Present Methods of Conveyance (London, 1819), advancing 'a plan for a railway from London to Edinburgh, passing near to all the commercial towns of Leicester, Nottingham, Sheffield, Wakefield, Leeds, etc., with branch railways to Bristol, Manchester and Liverpool' - a plan that reached its fulfilment in 1876. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted July 5 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 5 And wasn't it called something like the Midland Railway? J 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chas Levin Posted July 5 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 5 22 hours ago, Compound2632 said: See my responses in that thread. It's highly pertinent to the cattle wagon in progress; you've got me distracted onto S&DJR wagon numbering again. In other news, my summer holiday light reading has arrived: Please will you let us know what it's like, Stephen? A book review... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 On 05/07/2024 at 14:33, Chas Levin said: Please will you let us know what it's like, Stephen? A book review... It's a classic – with all that that implies ... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 6 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, wagonman said: It's a classic – with all that that implies ... Indeed, one would hope that in the more than half-century since it was written, scholarship would have moved on on some details, though the broad sweep of a survey it provides no doubt remains a solid introduction to the subject. I have recognised a number of his sources from my own reading at the National Archives. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Ince wagon 1919, WD 12 ton, im guessing that it must have been built for europe based on the metric tare weight https://www.flickr.com/photos/124446949@N06/53835239632/ 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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