RMweb Premium magmouse Posted July 23, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2023 43 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: All my photos throughout this topic are taken with a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FS62 As a paid-up member of the Campaign for Real Cameras, I approve. The manual is available online: https://www.panasonic.com/au/support/manual-download/imaging/lumix-cameras/dmc-fs62.html Set the exposure compensation like this: It looks like you can only change the exposure by 2 EV (2 stops in old terminology), so you might still need to do some tweaking of the image afterwards, but it should get you a lot closer. Otherwise you can go into full manual mode. HTH Nick. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 24, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2023 Further experimentation will wait until we've a bit more natural light here - tomorrow! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 15 hours ago, magmouse said: As a paid-up member of the Campaign for Real Cameras, I approve. The manual is available online: https://www.panasonic.com/au/support/manual-download/imaging/lumix-cameras/dmc-fs62.html Call that a real camera? This is a real camera... 7 3 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 24, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2023 Well, before I bought the Lumix I was using film... 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dave Hunt Posted July 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2023 Things haven’t been the same since the daguerreotype went out of fashion. Dave 3 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted July 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, Dave Hunt said: Things haven’t been the same since the daguerreotype went out of fashion. Dave These people with their fancy newfangled technology. What's wrong with painting on the wall of caves? 1 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted July 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2023 31 minutes ago, Nick C said: These people with their fancy newfangled technology. What's wrong with painting on the wall of caves? Eh You. Stop defacing the walls of my home. That's vandalism that is. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted July 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 hours ago, wagonman said: Call that a real camera? This is a real camera... Well, that’s tempting! However, I already have more hobbies than I can fit into one lifetime (including digital photography). It would be interesting though to try model photography with traditional methods, to see how close to the look of late 19th and early 20th century photos you could get. Digital black and white conversions rarely get even close to the right tonality. Nick. 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) Back in the '70s I did quite a lot of work with architects which included photographing their models. Sometimes I borrowed a sort of reverse periscope thing which, attached to an SLR, could get right inside the structures. Nowadays it's easier to use a mobile phone... PS: I certainly wouldn't fancy using a 10x8 ! Edited July 24, 2023 by wagonman 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, magmouse said: It would be interesting though to try model photography with traditional methods, to see how close to the look of late 19th and early 20th century photos you could get. Digital black and white conversions rarely get even close to the right tonality. How do you convert to monochrome? The default is pretty rubbish but if you do it in photoshop you can vary the tonality quite a lot. You could probably even replicate ortho film. -ish. Richard Edited July 24, 2023 by wagonman autouncorrect 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 24, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) Just messing around, I tried the "Auto Correct" function in the editor I'm using, Microsoft Office 2010 Picture Manager, which produced this: from my original, unadulterated (other than compressed and cropped) image: Edited July 24, 2023 by Compound2632 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFPettigrew Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 5 hours ago, Nick C said: These people with their fancy newfangled technology. What's wrong with painting on the wall of caves? Very pre-grouping.... 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted July 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 hours ago, wagonman said: How do you convert to monochrome? The default is pretty rubbish but if you do it in photoshop you can vary the tonality quite a lot. You could probably even replicate ortho film. -ish. Richard I’ve never got to grips with Photoshop, but I am reasonably handy with DarkTable. I usually start with one of the B&W film simulations in my Fujifilm cameras, and make adjustments - tone curves, etc. - from there. Getting to something like a modern (as in 1970 onwards) B&W film look is reasonably possible, but getting to the look of older emulsions seems really hard. It’s probably to do with lenses as well. Nick. 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted July 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Just messing around, I tried the "Auto Correct" function in the editor I'm using, Microsoft Office 2010 Picture Manager, which produced this: from my original, unadulterated (other than compressed and cropped) image: Well, the auto-correct does a half-decent job of it. The colour casts are bit of a shame, and difficult to correct since the background has gone pink and the wagon green. The original also has a green cast - what is the light source? Fluorescents often tend to be green. If it is daylight, then (unless you have green walls reflecting the light) it is a camera issue. Getting there! Nick. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted July 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2023 The advice is always to build and paint models under the same light source as is used for the layout. Colour temperatures can vary from 2700 K (traditional incandescent lamps) to over 6000 K (or higher for daylight) and that can make an enormous difference. Jonathan 1 4 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitpw Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, magmouse said: I’ve never got to grips with Photoshop, but I am reasonably handy with DarkTable. I've used Photoshop extensively and mainly for combining 3D models (drawn/rendered images) with photos. Where Photoshop is a raster graphics editor, Darktable allows non-destructive post-processing of photos. It has the advantage of being free open source software (Photoshop is now an annual subscription based program) and available for Windows, Linux and MAC. Darktable is an alternative to Lightroom: both have a management capability for organising and archiving large numbers of images. I can't say that I've got to grips with Darktable but there will come a point when I don't want to cough up the annual Photoshop sub and so I've been looking at Darktable as a workable alternative. First though, I need some half-decent photos to work on - something which Nick has kindly helped me with very recently! 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 24, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, magmouse said: The original also has a green cast - what is the light source? Daylight supplemented by a small fluorescent lamp. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 25, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 23/07/2023 at 21:01, magmouse said: Set to the maximum exposure of +2 EV, same lighting conditions as before: For comparison, same setting on a couple of other frequently photographed colours: There is, I think, a slight green cast to the horizontal part of the white paper background. 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 25, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2023 Same as above, +2 EV, but natural light only: No green cast. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 25, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) Right. I'm happy with this set! (For potential monochrome magazine publication.) Camera set to BW, +2 EV, natural and fluorescent lighting: Perhaps now I can get on and build the kits! Edited July 25, 2023 by Compound2632 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted July 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: Perhaps now I can get on and build the kits! Are you not enjoying my rabbit hole? The B&W versions are certainly OK to show what the 3D print looks like - the detail is clearly visible now. A touch more contrast helps: The colour ones are also fixable with a little tweak to the colour balance and contrast. The green cast is not just on the white background (though it is most obvious there) - it is across the whole image, which makes it easier to fix: I'll let you get on with modelling now! Nick. 9 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 25, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, magmouse said: Are you not enjoying my rabbit hole? Certainly learning fast! It also informs my view of the great yellow O debate. I may have to experiment there too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chas Levin Posted July 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 24/07/2023 at 13:09, Dave Hunt said: Things haven’t been the same since the daguerreotype went out of fashion. Dave I take all my photos on an Apple iDaguerreo 14 Pro Plus: dual camera, facial recognition, mercury-vapored silver-plated copper - the whole 9 yards! 1 2 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 27, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2023 Coming soon-ish to a Society Magazine near you: the decline of D299: 4 6 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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