RMweb Premium polybear Posted November 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2018 PPP have just introduced HiNi BH rail (I believe the beginning of a range of track parts within their ever expanding empire). Next day P&P for rail (any quantity) is £10:00, so clearly not a low cost carriage item. At least you get next day courier for that price, not bog standard 2nd class for an extra fifteen quid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 What was the price under the old ownership? 500 Exactoscale chairs are twenty quid..... The chairs used to be £15.00 for 500. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) Such a shame to see a business going down the pan under new management. At least there is hope of new manufacturers taking up the slack even in this very niche area. DCC Concepts offer some very interesting pre tinned sleeper packs...they don't require any unsightly gapping for insulation purposes either. They are also developing a wide range of rail chairs too. Edited November 11, 2018 by blueeighties 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacathedrale Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Yes indeed it is a shame, but I think this thread shows that we as a community have been very understanding and patient, and certainly much slack has been granted to Phil in light of the various explanations that he has for missing, delayed or otherwise problematic orders. At some point, one must cut their losses and simply move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dhjgreen Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2018 Such a shame to see a business going down the pan under new management. At least there is hope of new manufacturers taking up the slack even in this very niche area. DCC Supplies offer some very interesting pre tinned sleeper packs...they don't require any unsightly gapping for insulation purposes either. They are also developing a wide range of rail chairs too. Did you mean DCC Concepts? Or are DCC Supplies doing something too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jol Wilkinson Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2018 Yes, Like 500 4mm chairs going up to £27.50!, what a joke, i have been looking at doing them myself on a 3D printer. What was the price under the old ownership? 500 Exactoscale chairs are twenty quid..... The chairs used to be £15.00 for 500. The EMGS are again stocking Exactoscale track items. Although there isn't Exactoscale reference number on the EMGS online sales list, chairs are shown at £23:00 for 500. However, you have to be a member to buy them. Oddly though, if Exactoscale, these prices are dearer than quoted on the Exactoscale website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Did you mean DCC Concepts? Or are DCC Supplies doing something too? Hi David. Yes, my mistake, it is indeed DCC Concepts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I'd be quizzing C&L over this cost. Something to cover packing time & materials I can swallow (if I have to) but twenty quid is stretching things just a bit long way too far. Consider yourself fully justified in being mightily p!ssed. Maybe it's taking a long term to find parts for the order so a charge has been added for extra labour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Freeman Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Not wishing to rub salt into the wound but I ordered some code 125 HiNi Bullhead from Karlgarin on Friday, arrived today. One other thing I don't understand is why C&L charges a silly price (IMHO) for a GWR crossing nose chair, when you can get similar from 'Off the Rails', not cheap mind you, at a fraction of the price. I suppose he and others before will say it's because they are metal but lets face it, I and most others surely use such things as a cosmetic add-on? Edited November 12, 2018 by Stephen Freeman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bri.s Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Not wishing to rub salt into the wound but I ordered some code 125 HiNi Bullhead from Karlgarin on Friday, arrived today. One other thing I don't understand is why C&L charges a silly price (IMHO) for a GWR crossing nose chair, when you can get similar from 'Off the Rails', not cheap mind you, at a fraction of the price. I suppose he and others before will say it's because they are metal but lets face it, I and most others surely use such things as a cosmetic add-on? Hi Stephen Do you know if the code 125 karlgarin rail will fit C&L 7mm chairs I’ve plenty of chairs but no rail and have been putting off ordering from c&l I did think of using peco rail but have been told it’s not a great fit for the chairs Regards Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Freeman Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Hi Stephen Do you know if the code 125 karlgarin rail will fit C&L 7mm chairs I’ve plenty of chairs but no rail and have been putting off ordering from c&l I did think of using peco rail but have been told it’s not a great fit for the chairs Regards Brian Hi, Just been putting some on today, so answer is yes. Peco rail will fit as well if you really want to but you cannot easily fit non-Peco rail to Peco chairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bri.s Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Hi, Just been putting some on today, so answer is yes. Peco rail will fit as well if you really want to but you cannot easily fit non-Peco rail to Peco chairs. Thanks ,I’ll be ordering some promptly Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmodelmonkey Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Hi Stephen Do you know if the code 125 karlgarin rail will fit C&L 7mm chairs I’ve plenty of chairs but no rail and have been putting off ordering from c&l I did think of using peco rail but have been told it’s not a great fit for the chairs Regards Brian I used Peco rail as it fitted better than the C&L rail. Yes I know it's not spot on for bullhead profile but you can't tell once it's assembled. I would recommend it!!!! This is a link on the forum to show how good it is.... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/111464-gwr-scale-track-components/ Hope this helps Edited November 12, 2018 by Greenmodelmonkey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bri.s Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I used Peco rail as it fitted better than the C&L rail. Yes I know it's not spot on for bullhead profile but you can't tell once it's assembled. I would recommend it!!!! This is a link on the forum to show how good it is.... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/111464-gwr-scale-track-components/ Hope this helps Thanks for that I’ll have a read through Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Hi, Just been putting some on today, so answer is yes. Peco rail will fit as well if you really want to but you cannot easily fit non-Peco rail to Peco chairs. Thanks ,I’ll be ordering some promptly Brian If you are going to use Peco rail, why not buy Peco's chairs (standard and slide) and Timbers, all 3 are reasonably priced Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bri.s Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) If you are going to use Peco rail, why not buy Peco's chairs (standard and slide) and Timbers, all 3 are reasonably pricedI originally bought the c&l chairs for a “club project “that didn’t come to fruition and now have enough C&L chairs and woodern laser cut sleepers for my home layout but no rail Brian Edited November 12, 2018 by Bri.s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmodelmonkey Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 If you are going to use Peco rail, why not buy Peco's chairs (standard and slide) and Timbers, all 3 are reasonably priced I think they are quite crude chairs compared to C&L/Exactoscale and they have holes to take track pins so more suited to non prototypical trackwork. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium martin_wynne Posted November 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46180790 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mr.S.corn78 Posted November 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2018 The EMGS are again stocking Exactoscale track items. Although there isn't Exactoscale reference number on the EMGS online sales list, chairs are shown at £23:00 for 500. However, you have to be a member to buy them. Oddly though, if Exactoscale, these prices are dearer than quoted on the Exactoscale website. Hi Jol, Just to correct you on a few bits of information you have stated. The chairs you have quoted the price for are C&L chairs not exactoscale ones. The exactoscale prices are as the exactoscale list. There is a product referance number for all the Track fixing parts and the Exactoscale ones start E4 So for example 3 BOLT FIXING CHAIRS - PACKET OF 250 R/H AND L/H SKU: 4CH101B - theses are C&L product. S 1 3 HOLE CHAIR - 4MM (500) SKU: E4CH101A - these are exactoscale ones If you have downloaded the members price list it will show all product codes (if the product has one), but make sure you don't have a previous copy of the list on you pc/laptop/tablet etc etc as al that will happen is the old version of the price list will be opened. Thanks Simon EMGS Trade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jol Wilkinson Posted November 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) Hi Jol, Just to correct you on a few bits of information you have stated. The chairs you have quoted the price for are C&L chairs not exactoscale ones. The exactoscale prices are as the exactoscale list. There is a product referance number for all the Track fixing parts and the Exactoscale ones start E4 So for example 3 BOLT FIXING CHAIRS - PACKET OF 250 R/H AND L/H SKU: 4CH101B - theses are C&L product. S 1 3 HOLE CHAIR - 4MM (500) SKU: E4CH101A - these are exactoscale ones If you have downloaded the members price list it will show all product codes (if the product has one), but make sure you don't have a previous copy of the list on you pc/laptop/tablet etc etc as al that will happen is the old version of the price list will be opened. Thanks Simon EMGS Trade Simon, thanks for pointing that out. I had already just been informed of that during a conversation with Tony at Exactoscale. Might I suggest that some indication as to which are C&L and which are Exactoscale products would be helpful as it isn't clear on the website pages, unless you know the different manufacturers codes. Jol. Edited November 13, 2018 by Jol Wilkinson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mr.S.corn78 Posted November 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2018 Might I suggest that some indication as to which are C&L and which are Exactoscale products would be helpful as it isn't clear on the website pages, unless you know the different manufacturers codes. Jol. Hi, If you click on the product it will say who the suppiler is for that item. I will have to look into it see if there is away, possibly altering all the product titles but that will take a while to do. Thanks Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jol Wilkinson Posted November 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2018 Hi, If you click on the product it will say who the suppiler is for that item. I will have to look into it see if there is away, possibly altering all the product titles but that will take a while to do. Thanks Simon Hi Simon, perhaps I am doing something wrong, but I can't see that on my pc with either Chrome or MS Edge.. http://www.emgs.org/product/3-bolt-fixing-chairs-packet-of-125-rh-and-lh/ http://www.emgs.org/product/s1-3-hole-chair-4mm-500/ Jol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted November 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2018 As an example (from the EMGS Stores): 500 4-bolt C&L Chairs: £23-00 500 4-bolt Exactoscale Chairs: £20-00 Incidentally, 500 4-bolt C&L chairs direct from C&L is £27-50. A good reason to join the EMGS I'm also disappointed to see that 00-sf 3-point Track Gauges from C&L are now a whopping £29-50 each Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 For what its worth, I started in O Gauge late last year and having planned my track I made a decision to attend a society exhibition ( including several exhibitions since without any luck ) in the hope of obtaining all the chairs / rail etc I would require to build it from C & L parts. Sadly it wasn't to be as many above have mentioned there were various reasons / excuses on the day. It was at that point I made a decision to use Peco rail and chairs albeit not totally correct but despite my patience I wasn't prepared to wait indefinitely and easily obtainable at a reasonable price. I have now completed all my turnouts from LH / RH to my first double slip and three way which I am happy with and they work very well. First the 3 way under construction ( now completed ) and the RH turnout part weathered They may not be totally accurate but I am pleased to have made progress rather than sitting on my hands wondering if or when I could have obtained what I originally wanted. It now means I can get it all laid and run / play trains ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mr.S.corn78 Posted November 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2018 Hi Simon, perhaps I am doing something wrong, but I can't see that on my pc with either Chrome or MS Edge.. http://www.emgs.org/product/3-bolt-fixing-chairs-packet-of-125-rh-and-lh/ http://www.emgs.org/product/s1-3-hole-chair-4mm-500/ Jol Hi, It might be because I have admin rights for the site so its showing me everything. Again something to look at. Thanks Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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