luckymucklebackit Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) A snapshot of serviced through Coatbridge Central around 1970 Up services 10:53 1M69 Perth Kensington Olympia - from 18/05 until 12/09 12:49 1M91 Stirling Sutton Coldfield TSX from 04/05 until 30/09 17:09 1M36 Stirling Newton Le-Willows WThSO from 14/05 until 19/09 21:48 1M63 Perth Kensington Olympia - 16/05 26/09 23:26 1M64 Perth Kensington Olympia - 14/05 03/10 23:38 1V54 Stirling Newton Abbott MWFO 04/05 02/10 The 23:26 to Kensington Olympia stopped on the Up Slow platform from 23:15 to allow other traffic to pass Down Services 05:05 1S22 Kensington Olympia Perth TFO 04/05/70 03/10/70 06:00 1S19 Sutton Coldfield Perth TSX 04/05/70 03/10/70 07:31 1S15 Kensington Olympia Stirling MO 19/05/70 26/09/70 07:48 1S15 Kensington Olympia Stirling MX 25/05/70 21/09/70 13:35 1S41 Newton Le-Willows Stirling WThSO 14/05/70 19/09/70 18:19 1S55 Kensington Olympia Perth - 18/05/70 12/09/70 19:17 1S56 Newton Abbott Stirling MWFO 04/05/70 02/10/70 The 13:35 to Stirling was routed via the GSW main line and the Rutherglen and Coatbridge. The use of open car flats came to an end in 1988 with the 1M69 11:40 MWFO Stirling to London Euston being the last service to use them. Jim Edited February 23, 2016 by luckymucklebackit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted February 23, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2016 Negative. There was a timetabled Bournemouth - Edinburgh sleeping / seated overnight train for a few years more recently than the Motorail and using Mk3 sleepers. The Motorail used Mk 1 sleepers. The Bournemouth was a portion attached to another IC Cross-Country sector working. IIRC that was a Bristol - Glasgow with the two running combined as one train between Birmingham and Carstairs. Correct Rick. That would have been in the late 80s or early 90s. It was a loco plus four coaches (BG, two Mk3 sleepers and some sort of Mk2 aircon coach). For at least some of the time it was a loco change at Reading (booked times were 2235-2245) so used the old west end bay (platform 7). I signalled it in there myself on many occasions. I have a feeling it may even have started from Poole and I'm fairly sure the train it combined with at New Street came from Plymouth. I could be wrong about that but I certainly travelled on a Plymouth to Scotland sleeper around that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Negative. There was a timetabled Bournemouth - Edinburgh sleeping / seated overnight train for a few years more recently than the Motorail and using Mk3 sleepers. The Motorail used Mk 1 sleepers. The Bournemouth was a portion attached to another IC Cross-Country sector working. IIRC that was a Bristol - Glasgow with the two running combined as one train between Birmingham and Carstairs. Fascinating. Are there any pictures of this working out there? Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Fascinating. Are there any pictures of this working out there? Bill This looks like the ecs at Bournemouth https://www.flickr.com/photos/74384955@N03/7822401796/in/photolist-fHCmT4-bVC8qN-bVC7mU-xHQXEU-9VPR5A-cmEk4w-cVeRwu-pG2u9m edit - and here are the sleepers from the sleeper/motorail service in 1980 at New Milton https://www.flickr.com/photos/johndedman/7170390986/in/photolist-fHCmT4-bVC8qN-bVC7mU-xHQXEU-9VPR5A-cmEk4w-cVeRwu-pG2u9m cheers Edited February 23, 2016 by Rivercider 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted May 19, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2016 Just added 1961 and 1957(ER) to the Motorail site. I've about 15 more brochures to add at present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted May 19, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2016 Very interesting Andy, thanks for posting the link. Confirms the Cambridge-Stirling service was altered to start from Ely for the 1979 season, supposed to have been a temporary alteration although in fact it never returned to Cambridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post ardbealach Posted May 19, 2016 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2016 Attached are four scanned colour slides taken in 1969 /1970 on a Sunday afternoon stroll over the Forth Bridge - before the days of H+S and hi-viz organised by RCTS / SLS. The pictures show the northbound Motorail - heading to Perth? Note how close the gentleman is to the Class 47. 25 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 With the Headcode 1A10 I would think that this would more likely be a southbound train, if it was heading for Perth it would be more likely to have a 1Sxx headcode Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2016 Not that I'm doubting your memory, but, with the headcode and a SYWP brush 4, could it be more like 67/68? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 With the Headcode 1A10 I would think that this would more likely be a southbound train, if it was heading for Perth it would be more likely to have a 1Sxx headcode Jim That depends on the year. Up to 1969 all up and down Scottish expresses which did not deviate from the ECML displayed an "A" headcode. Up trains had odd numbers and down trains even ones. It was only after mid 69 that the "S" appeared for down passenger trains. Through the late 60s 1A10 was the 0749 Caledonian Road to Perth which would fit for 1968/9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted May 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) as jonny777 says, must be earlier than the timetable change in may 1969 as 1A10 from then was the 8.32 Cleethorpes - KX (weekdays and saturdays) or the 10:42 Grimsby - King's Cross (sundays, from Cleethorpes 10:32 25/5-28/9). [source napier chronicles - http://www.napier-chronicles.co.uk/wtt69-70.htm ] EDIT: forgot to say, they are cracking pics. TCVs, carriage destination boards in use on b/g stock, a green generator 47 on the front and a glimpse at the deck and 'internal' trussing of the bridge. Edited May 20, 2016 by keefer 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ardbealach Posted May 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2016 Looked in the back of the cupboard and I have found my notes on that slide of the Class 47 on the Forth Bridge (posting 32). It was taken in August 1967. Apologies for wrong-guessing the year. I have a few more slides taken on that day on the Forth Bridge, if there is any interest - perhaps on a new thread? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted May 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2016 Looked in the back of the cupboard and I have found my notes on that slide of the Class 47 on the Forth Bridge (posting 32). It was taken in August 1967. Apologies for wrong-guessing the year. I have a few more slides taken on that day on the Forth Bridge, if there is any interest - perhaps on a new thread? Yes Please, Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ardbealach Posted May 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2016 Will make a start on the scanning. A 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I can remember travelling on the Newton-le-Willows to Newton Abbot motorail as a kid in about 1970. I'n sure it ran via the North & West via Hereford.. Have some very brief shots of the return train at Newton Abbot on a family film and they where carflats. When I moved to Hereford in 1984, Hereford traincrew still had a job to work a motorail from Hereford to Bristol on a Saturday. Only worked it a couple of times before it finished. I don't think it lasted into the 1985 season and I can't remember its originating point or destination. Paul J. The 1971-1972 WTT shows the following 'Motorail' services using the North & West 1V54 23:55 TuO Carlisle - Newton Abbott (Hereford 04:22-04:27 WO - crew change) 1M05 11:05 WO Newton Abbot - Carlisle (Hereford 15:35 - 15:38 WO - crew change) . 1V65 07:37 MWFO Newton-le-Willows - Newton Abbot (Hereford 10:06 - 10:10 - crew change) 1M36 15:10 MFO ? Newton Abbot - Newton-le-Willows (Hereford 18:40-18:45 - crew change) . The previous WTT, for 1970-1971 shows 1V65 MFO Newton-le-Willows - Newton Abbot first appearing in the WR Swindon-Swansea WTT at Westerleigh, so, it may be over to Phil Bullock ? . The 1970-1971 WTT also shows:- Sheffield, Stirling and Sutton Coldfield - Newton Abbot services also . Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2016 Looked in the back of the cupboard and I have found my notes on that slide of the Class 47 on the Forth Bridge (posting 32). It was taken in August 1967. Apologies for wrong-guessing the year. I have a few more slides taken on that day on the Forth Bridge, if there is any interest - perhaps on a new thread? I win Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted May 20, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Excellent photos, this year is the 60th anniversary of BR car carrier services later to become Motorail.A few photos that I have A4 Pacific 60021 'Wild Swan' passes through Doncaster station with the down Anglo Scottish Car-Carrier from London Caledonian Road to Edinburgh Waverley. The car transporters can be seen towards the rear of the train, which also includes a catering vehicle.Image dated 8/9/62.Photographer unknown. An unidentified class 47/0 passes Dawlish station with a Motorail train comprised of the Newton Chambers Mk1 car carriers. The train is 1E01 which I think is the Penzance to Newcastle service. Corrections welcome.Slide dated 1971Photographer unknownA great image of motorists getting ready to drive their own cars off the Motorail Carflats at Newton Abbott. Cars include Ford Cortina, Austin 1100/1300s, Hillman Hunter, Vauxhall Victor and Ford Zephyr.Motorail service unknown. Oxford diecast need to use this as a guide for their next n scale cars, pretty please!Image dated 18/8/72 47258 approaches Abergavenny with the Bristol to Stirling motorail service, not much of a load on this date. Most of the passenger coaches now early Mk2 FK's. Photo dated 19/9/84.Photographer Nigel J Robins. A day on the sea wall at Dawlish.50022 'Anson' heads east with a lightly loaded Motorail service.Slide undated but was August 198? Photo Andy Gibbs 86224 heads south at Winwick with the daytime Perth to Kensington Olympia Motorail service. A healthy load of cars can be seen.Photo taken 2/6/83.Photographer B.Watkins. An unidentified class 47 is captured with a long Olympia to St Austell Motorail service at Red Rock, Dawlish. Slide dated September 1976.Photographer Paul Geary. An unidentified class 45/0 heads west at Cogload Junction with a heavily loaded Motorail service. The passenger accommodation is all Mk2 stock apart from the Mk1 catering vehicle. The only Motorail train to convey catering on this route by this date was the 0745 Kensington Olympia to Newton Abbot / St Austell. Slide dated August 1979.Photographer unknown. Edited May 21, 2016 by acg5324 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slg Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 And now there's a 00 model on its way from Oxford Rail 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2016 The 1971-1972 WTT shows the following 'Motorail' services using the North & West 1V54 23:55 TuO Carlisle - Newton Abbott (Hereford 04:22-04:27 WO - crew change) 1M05 11:05 WO Newton Abbot - Carlisle (Hereford 15:35 - 15:38 WO - crew change) . 1V65 07:37 MWFO Newton-le-Willows - Newton Abbot (Hereford 10:06 - 10:10 - crew change) 1M36 15:10 MFO ? Newton Abbot - Newton-le-Willows (Hereford 18:40-18:45 - crew change) . The previous WTT, for 1970-1971 shows 1V65 MFO Newton-le-Willows - Newton Abbot first appearing in the WR Swindon-Swansea WTT at Westerleigh, so, it may be over to Phil Bullock ? . The 1970-1971 WTT also shows:- Sheffield, Stirling and Sutton Coldfield - Newton Abbot services also . Brian R Thanks Brian Will get the WTTs out later... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2016 Nice bit of film from 1972 showing a West Country motorail marshalling at Kensington Olympia, Western Lancer doing the honours with blue and green 25s in evidence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUL_CPuJGvg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) Excellent photos An unidentified class 45/0 heads west at Cogload Junction with a heavily loaded Motorail service. The passenger accommodation is all Mk2 stock apart from the Mk1 catering vehicle. The only Motorail train to convey catering on this route by this date was the 0745 Kensington Olympia to Newton Abbot / St Austell. Slide dated August 1979.Photographer unknown. Interesting because that motorail has used the flyover so has come from Bristol and also has a peak loco which is unlikely for the Olympia train. So despite the buffet, could it be something else. Edited October 21, 2016 by brushman47544 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) There was 1V81 10:43 SO York - Newton Abbot motorail which carried an RB as first vehicle between 16 June and 1 September, so I suggest it is probably this train. Full formation was RB+5FK+BFK+9FVV, which seems to match pretty well, due through Taunton at 16:10. Edited October 21, 2016 by stovepipe 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 On 22/02/2016 at 13:14, Phil Bullock said: Think it's motorsport goes motorail... Birmingham car club outing to Devon iirc Cheers Phil I found the DVD the other night, it was London vs Devon, mostly car shots but a few shots of a Western pulling out of Newton Abbott. Entertaining watch and an interesting insight into what was considered acceptable at the time with at least one overt sexist inuendo in it... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantic Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 2 questions: Did the Stirling/Newton Abbot convey a catering vehicle, and if not, why not? and Where was the stock allocated to? Laira? Or somewhere in Scotland? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) From the 1970 WR Marshalling Book: Restaurant Unclassified included in the rake. It doesn't state the stock is from another region so it must be Western Region allocated, very probably Laira. Edit: The LMR book states WR stock. Edited May 17, 2020 by Flood 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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