Castle Aching

[Compound2632]

I had a statue specially commissioned for my study:

 

 

It's entitled "Mikkel Kjartan discovers conclusive proof that Great Western wagons were painted grey from 1894".

 

@Mikkel!

[Dave John]

The trouble is that all this debate about GWR colours means I'll probably never get round to building this one, which has been in the queue for a long time waiting for folk to make their minds up.

 

 

 

A whole £2.50. I could just put a large wagon sheet over it I suppose. 

[Edwardian]

3 minutes ago, Dave John said:

The trouble is that all this debate about GWR colours means I'll probably never get round to building this one, which has been in the queue for a long time waiting for folk to make their minds up.

 

 

 

A whole £2.50. I could just put a large wagon sheet over it I suppose. 

 

Back-date to a pre-diagram 4-plank and paint it red (the cast plate O5s were built slap bang in the middle of the debatable years).

[Compound2632]

32 minutes ago, Edwardian said:

 

Back-date to a pre-diagram 4-plank and paint it red (the cast plate O5s were built slap bang in the middle of the debatable years).

 

@Dave John, if you decide to go pre-plate - about 20,000 built that way, at a rough guess:

 

 

- I'd be very happy to relieve you of the G.W.R / numberplate moldings!

[Mikkel]

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

I had a statue specially commissioned for my study:

 

 

It's entitled "Mikkel Kjartan discovers conclusive proof that Great Western wagons were painted grey from 1894".

 

@Mikkel!

 

Nice study!  Actually I like the grey livery better, so wouldn't mind from an aestethic point of view 

[Hroth]

2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

I had a statue specially commissioned for my study:

 

 

"And with a little study you can go a long way!"

 

Just think how far one could get with that one...... 

[MarkC]

19 hours ago, Annie said:

Slough.

noun.

an area of soft, muddy ground; swamp or swamp like region.

 

"Come, friendly bombs, and fall on Slough..."

[Hroth]

23 minutes ago, MarkC said:

"Come, friendly bombs, and fall on Slough..."

 

Given its defined as a muddy swamp, I doubt if any would actually go off!

 

 

[Annie]

At least with the Broad Gauge it is a certain thing that all wagons are red, - and they had the small G.W.R. lettering at the correct end too.

[MarkC]

42 minutes ago, Hroth said:

 

Given its defined as a muddy swamp, I doubt if any would actually go off!

 

 

Sir John Betjeman thought otherwise!

[runs as required]

Might it sound prettier if pronounced like Clough ?

[Nearholmer]

Pronounced like that, it means something completely different, as in a snake shedding a skin that its grown out of.

 

Slough off.

 

Which sounds a bit impolite, but isn't.

 

 

[drmditch]

It is in the NE surely?

As in Derwenthaugh, Redhaugh, etc.

All important railway locations.

[Nearholmer]

Are they really pronounced xxxxhuff?

 

As a southerner, French practically, from where you are, I would pronounce them (in fact have done) xxxxhaw.

[Donw]

16 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

Are they really pronounced xxxxhuff?

 

As a southerner, French practically, from where you are, I would pronounce them (in fact have done) xxxxhaw.

 

Perhaps with their accent it comes out closer to xxxxhow and sounds like the town Slough  or  would they pronounce Slough closer to Slaw ( like Coleslaw)

 

My favourite pronounciation is GHOTI  GH as in rough O as in women and TI as in Station so GHOTI rhymes with DISH. 

Isn't it every Englishman's birthright to mispronounce any word as he/she sees fit.

 

Don

[brack]

In the north east Haugh is often more -Hoff than -huff I'd say. Although redheugh (and other heughs) almost gets a 

-yuff or hyuff, and Houghall in durham is Huffle/hoffle (but then I might not be saying those that correctly as I'm from the middle of northumberland).

Unusual pronunciations survive as a very easy marker for identifying non natives - A southerner once very politely asked where cowpen was. Sadly for them the place where my great grandparents lived is pronounced coop'n.

[Dave John]

Hmm, I need to build a signalbox, but I'll have a look at that kit afterwards. 

 

Brakes. Did the earlier versions have a simpler lever ? 

 

[Regularity]

1 hour ago, Donw said:

My favourite pronounciation is GHOTI  GH as in rough O as in women and TI as in Station so GHOTI rhymes with DISH. 

Isn't it every Englishman's birthright to mispronounce any word as he/she sees fit.

No English words actually begin with “gh” sounding like an f, though, and “ti” is only “sh” as part of “-tion”, so sadly so that doesn’t actually work.

Our spelling isn’t completely haphazard, although we do manage to have about 100 ways of representing 46 distinct sounds...

[Hroth]

3 hours ago, runs as required said:

Might it sound prettier if pronounced like Clough ?

 

And now we're back to drains....  

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/clough

[Compound2632]

5 hours ago, Dave John said:

 

Brakes. Did the earlier versions have a simpler lever ? 

 

 

Yes, single-sided. The kit contains the necessary parts though I made a replacement V-hanger to sit at the right height - see here and following posts.

[corneliuslundie]

Re suitable RR kits, afraid not. Plenty of drawings though in Welsh Railways Archive mainly, though a few in "Rhymney Railway Drawings" (Lightmoor/WRRC).

Most of the drawings were produced by me from originals unsuitable for publication so I'll PM you.

Jonathan

[runs as required]

11 hours ago, Nearholmer said:

Are they really pronounced xxxxhuff?

As a southerner, French practically, from where you are, I would pronounce them (in fact have done) xxxxhaw.

I still speak 'estuary' from my Essex Council school infancy.

But sticking to railways, it appears to me that Redheugh (the original Gateshead terminal of the N&C) gets pronounced on Tyneside as 'Redheuch' (as in Scottish Loch) or even it seems 'Redhugh' (as in the boy's name).

I wonder whether it is rather like the Arabic (or Maltese) 'q' which always defeats me.     (e.g. "Luqa airport please/ Loo-a airport please)

 

I used to have an architectural tutor called Clough Williams Ellis at Liverpool; he pronounced himself 'Cluff'

dh

[Malcolm 0-6-0]

9 hours ago, Hroth said:

 

And now we're back to drains....  

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/clough

 

Well perhaps if someone can find a connection between Slough and Staines then perhaps that might be a smooth flowing drain (or ditch). 

[Edwardian]

5 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Yes, single-sided. The kit contains the necessary parts though I made a replacement V-hanger to sit at the right height - see here and following posts.

 

I may say that this is an excellent summary and modelling guide, taking together the post initial post and the adoption and adaption of  Miss Prism's 'V' hangar information.

 

 

 

 

Indeed, I shall not hesitate to use it as my aide memoire when modelling these wagons.  I plan to attempt two GWR goods trains.  They will both be pre-pool, so predominantly GWR wagons.  I have been building up kits for these:

 

- Early 1900s: Mainly 3-planks and pre-diagram 4-planks - all red

 

- Early 1910s: Mainly a mix of 4-planks, O4s and O2s - all grey, large initials.

 

The problem comes with the cast plate era wagons. Red or Grey?  Even if originally red, some plates seem to be used into the grey era. 

 

I did attempt to summarise, somewhere on RMWeb, the evidence on this issue.  I cannot find it now. No matter, it was in the main a collation of references found in Atkins et al and on Miss Prism's excellent site, which tackles the livery issue and features some of Mikkel's excellent work, and, thus, to which I would unhestitatingly direct the Savant in search of Enlightenment: GWR Red Wagon Livery 

 

It seems to me that the possible dodge is to avoid wagons built, say 1898-1903 in the early train, which is fine, I suppose, if I deem it c.1900.  So, if wagons were painted grey from some point in the 1890s, these were wagons that did not make it into my train!  In other words I avoid the most recently built wagons that would have been around in 1900 and rely on the fact that, even if grey came in before 1900, the vast majority of wagons would still be red at that date.

 

As this corresponds with the Full Glory (no apologies for Unnecessary Capitalisation here) of the pre-1906 lined/Indian red-framed loco livery for goods as well as passenger classes, I thing the effort would be worthwhile. A round-top firebox Dean and an Armstrong Standard Goods in this livery is worth sweating through a number of imperfectly designed Cooper Craft kits, IMHO.  

 

However, WNR matters must be attended to first. 

[Nearholmer]

There’s a cycleway between the two, which goes mostly by the river, but that probably doesn’t help.