RMweb Premium TheQ Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2019 Had Virginia McKenna worn her hair like that in ww2 ( or now) the SWO would definitely have had a word in her ear. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Ashdown Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Should the Directors of the WNR splash out? Yes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim15B Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 They should probably get a pair. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drmditch Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) I must re-watch In Which We Serve, which I have not seen for years, because I recall that we see footage of what looks like a GW West of England express, complete with 70 footers (appropriately probably including Dreadnoughts) conveying Coward's character to, IIRC, Plymouth. Yes, I'm not sure I noticed the 70 footers. I was trying to work out whether it was hauled by a King or a Castle, and trying to work out if the tender carried the GWR 'shirtbutton' logo. At least, since the film was made in 1942, the brief footage had to be of an actual GWR train, although possibly of a pre-war shot. The film is currently available on BBC iPlayer. Edited January 9, 2019 by drmditch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2019 The GSWR/GSR/CIE J15 does have a chassis pretty well the same as a GWR 2251 for wheel size and wheelbase, only a bit shorter at the back end, then it’s just a case of monkeying about with the boiler and so on. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted January 9, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 The GSWR/GSR/CIE J15 does have a chassis pretty well the same as a GWR 2251 for wheel size and wheelbase, only a bit shorter at the back end, then it’s just a case of monkeying about with the boiler and so on. 8CF20916-5E00-4AEA-9923-BE367EC8C8FC.jpeg Wonderful model. I might have guessed you'd have one. (Bloody funny looking Collett Goods, mind you) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2019 Sooo.... next question, did you fancy Virginia McKenna in the “Cruel Sea” more than Susanna York in the “Battle of Britain”?? Answers on a postcard please to Nonnatus House for Nice Nuns.(Me, Sexist??)D4C331FE-3FA1-4FC3-8642-1E1E171B06E5.jpeg DFC5ED39-4026-405A-9846-DA5C72D73E2B.jpeg "Don't you yell at me Mr Warwick!". Does that give you a clue? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2019 With intertwined strands on McKenna and McDonnell, perhaps I'll try for thread convergence with McConnell: Not that dissimilar, being of similar date - to McDonnell, that is, not McKenna, who as far as I'm aware never did design a 0-6-0. Hand in hand with the strong Beyer, Peacock influence in the 19th century, there was a great deal of independent thinking among Irish locomotive superintendents in the early 20th century. We're familiar with Englishmen who returned home after cutting their teeth at Inchicore - Aspinall, Ivatt, Maunsell, also Robinson on the WL&WR - but the work of Coey, of Clifford and Glover at Dundalk, and Cusack at Broadstone deserves to be better known in Great Britain. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) And Martin Atock.. (loco named after the missus, of course) Edited January 9, 2019 by Northroader 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) Post deleted Edited January 9, 2019 by corneliuslundie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2019 Is this the animal? I travelled behind it some years ago on an RPSI railtour. Jonathan 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2019 That is indeed one of the two preserved engines. The other, No. 186, has the Belpaire boiler and extended smokebox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 And Martin Atock.. (loco named after the missus, of course) A2E159E8-6864-4317-A61C-1BE98C15336C.jpeg That must be the version with the "go faster" cab. Is the Irish 0-6-0 model to 00 gauge...? I couldn't find out from the website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 That must be the version with the "go faster" cab. Is the Irish 0-6-0 model to 00 gauge...? I couldn't find out from the website. If so, it is a scale 1’ 1½” under gauge, but ironically, also 1’ 1½” over gauged for a 3’ prototype. (I know it isn’t a 3’ prototype.) Perhaps that is what is meant by 00 being for the “average modeller”, as Peco used to say: 16.5mm is the average of 12mm and 21mm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 That must be the version with the "go faster" cab. Either that or someone used a hairdryer after painting it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted January 9, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 Is this the animal? CIE 184.JPG I travelled behind it some years ago on an RPSI railtour. Jonathan Yes That is indeed one of the two preserved engines. The other, No. 186, has the Belpaire boiler and extended smokebox. Both are seen in the period romp The First Great Train Robbery. This has also come up in CA before: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/107713-castle-aching/?p=2860168 ! The GSWR/GSR/CIE J15 does have a chassis pretty well the same as a GWR 2251 for wheel size and wheelbase, only a bit shorter at the back end, then it’s just a case of monkeying about with the boiler and so on. 8CF20916-5E00-4AEA-9923-BE367EC8C8FC.jpeg Bob, I'd be interested to know the wheelbase and wheel diameter of the J15. The 2251 has 5'2" wheels at 7'3" + 8'3", whereas Great Western and constituent BP 0-6-0s were a little different: 77 Class (1857) and 167 Class (1861) - "Gooch designed the coat and Beyer Peacock the trousers" (Ahrons) had 5' wheels at 7'9" + 7'9". Apparently Gooch boilers but with a BP sloping smokebox. Of course, re-boilerings conformed to the GW practice of obtaining the maximum possible variety. LLanelly Railway & Dock Co. had two BP 0-6-0s in 1868 with 4'9" wheels at 7'2" + 7'6", and another four in 1870 with 4'8 1/2" wheels at 7'5" + 7'6". The M&SWJ BPs, at 1899 and 1902, are a little too modern for comparison with the 1850s and '60s BPs in question. They had 5'2 1/2" wheels at 8' + 7'6". We should note here that the Sharp Stewart 0-6-0 (of the Cambrian "Small Goods" type) intended for the WNR is indeed a diminutive type, with 4'6" wheels at 6'9" + 8', making it comparable with the smaller of the Llanelly engines. A J15, if of similar wheel size and wheelbase to the Collett goods is likely to be noticeably larger. It would give the WNR something equivalent to the GER Y14 in size, not that the "other J15" is all that large for an 0-6-0. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 It's a fat Dean Goods! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2019 It's a fat Dean Goods! Well, the link is, I suppose, that the Dean Goods in its original form was a fairly bog-standard medium-sized 0-6-0 of the generation after the 101 Class etc. The 101 Class is unusual for a locomotive of its generation in being quite so long lived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted January 10, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) I had not realised the OO Worls J15/Class 101 had been released, but it has. Some people have photographed theirs: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/140069-class-101-j15-locomotive/ OO Works are well known for never repeating models, but I can only assume that they have a second (or "continuous"!) run, because they are taking orders for delivery in the autumn. EDIT: The picture suggests why physical alterations to the OO Works loco might be difficult and traumatic! The WNR would have to live with such up to date features as: - the larger diameter replacement boiler and the smoke-box - the round-doored, flat fronted smoke box face - fuller cab - solid tender fenders. Will these features tend to dilute the antique aesthetic - I prefer the condition represented by Northroader's model - it is not, perhaps, unreasonable to suppose that an 1860s locomotive had been rebuilt to such a form by 1905. That said, I'd prefer a smoke box door less specific to the Irish prototype. Something more generic that could have evolved on the WNR would be better. It's a big loco, especially for its age. With 5'3" drivers (?) and the larger boiler, it's going to be if anything larger than a Y14. Serious, if old, motive power for the WNR. The fenders suggest a need to increase tender coal loads. Are we now into working longer distance goods trains off-system?!? Edited January 10, 2019 by Edwardian 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysarefun Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) With intertwined strands on McKenna and McDonnell, perhaps I'll try for thread convergence with McConnell: McConnell Goods.jpg Not that dissimilar, being of similar date - to McDonnell, that is, not McKenna, who as far as I'm aware never did design a 0-6-0. Hand in hand with the strong Beyer, Peacock influence in the 19th century, there was a great deal of independent thinking among Irish locomotive superintendents in the early 20th century. We're familiar with Englishmen who returned home after cutting their teeth at Inchicore - Aspinall, Ivatt, Maunsell, also Robinson on the WL&WR - but the work of Coey, of Clifford and Glover at Dundalk, and Cusack at Broadstone deserves to be better known in Great Britain. We have a McConnell down here - the first loco purchased for the NSWGR, imported in 1855. Continuing our Australian habit of giving new things imaginative names - The Red Bellied Black Snake, The Great Sandy Desert, The Blue Ringed Octopus etc etc, it is called Locomotive Number One. Edited January 10, 2019 by monkeysarefun 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted January 10, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) We have a McConnell down here - the first loco purchased for the NSWGR, imported in 1855. Continuing our Australian habit of giving new things imaginative names - The Red Bellied Black Snake, The Great Sandy Desert, The Blue Ringed Octopus etc etc, it is called Locomotive Number One. New_South_Wales_Government_Locomotive_No._1.jpg Magnificent! A Thing of Beauty. Of course,the best known little BP 0-6-0 must be the Ilfracombe Goods. Neither Colonel Stephens nor the WNR will get hold of one in my modelling domain, however, as this will be reserved for a future Barnstaple Town project. Edited January 10, 2019 by Edwardian 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted January 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2019 We have a McConnell down here - the first loco purchased for the NSWGR, imported in 1855. Continuing our Australian habit of giving new things imaginative names - The Red Bellied Black Snake, The Great Sandy Desert, The Blue Ringed Octopus etc etc, it is called Locomotive Number One. New_South_Wales_Government_Locomotive_No._1.jpg Looking remarkably like "Iron Girder" illustrated on the cover of the hardback edition of "Raising Steam"... (Although the end papers show the wheels of a 9F)) And it IS No 1! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2019 We have a McConnell down here - the first loco purchased for the NSWGR, imported in 1855. Continuing our Australian habit of giving new things imaginative names - The Red Bellied Black Snake, The Great Sandy Desert, The Blue Ringed Octopus etc etc, it is called Locomotive Number One. New_South_Wales_Government_Locomotive_No._1.jpg Enjoy it while you can before it disappears into the void when the present PowerHouse Museum closes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 We have a McConnell down here - the first loco purchased for the NSWGR, imported in 1855. Continuing our Australian habit of giving new things imaginative names - The Red Bellied Black Snake, The Great Sandy Desert, The Blue Ringed Octopus etc etc, it is called Locomotive Number One. New_South_Wales_Government_Locomotive_No._1.jpg McConnell of course was a madman who once built an engine with both outside cylinders and outside frames with the aim of demolishing pesky platform edges 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 McConnell of course was a madman who once built an engine with both outside cylinders and outside frames with the aim of demolishing pesky platform edges macsmangle.PNG Wow. That's utter lunacy, which is rich coming from me considering some of what I've come up with. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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