Castle Aching

[Shadow]

 

 

https://norfolk.spydus.co.uk/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/FULL/PICNOR/BIBENQ/225575360/47430960,10

 

Not sure of the year (1886?) old photo of East Lynn for your perusal.

 

Edit :- Looks like the link has time expired! Sorry, can't remember what I had put into search engine to find them.

 

EDIT 2 :- Found it,  Norfolk Picture Library and search for Kings Lynn Railway

Edited December 15, 2018 by Shadow

[Shadow]

Also, this one from 1890-1900 showing both steam and sail at Kings Lynn.

https://norfolk.spydus.co.uk/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/FULL/PICNOR/BIBENQ/225575360/47429679,13

 

 

Edit :- Looks like the link has time expired! Sorry, can't remember what I had put into search engine to find them.

 

EDIT 2 :- Found it,  Norfolk Picture Library and search for Kings Lynn Railway

Edited December 15, 2018 by Shadow

[Andy Hayter]

Difficult to tell definitively but the steam vessel looks a lot like a steam tug rather than a commercial boat.

[DonB]

Also, this one from 1890-1900 showing both steam and sail at Kings Lynn.

 

https://norfolk.spydus.co.uk/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/FULL/PICNOR/BIBENQ/225575360/47429679,13

 

Other pictures at the same link. The above is #13 of 30  others I noted of interest (to me)

#1 a 1920s  lorry mounted mobile crane 

#2 fancy brickwork on station gable end See also #3

#3 station buildings at Kings Lynn

#10 Great cameo shot of Lady in Crinoline seated at station looking (anxiously?) at Fellow leaning casually in Window recess pipe in mouth returning the look. Brief encounter in 1890s ? 

#16 Welbourne station,  bridge with loco  0-6-0ST "Colwyn"  North Norfolk Railway

 

The whole group of pictures are worth a look.

[brack]

I'd hate to see the size of lobster they need that riveted steel thing for.

[ianathompson]

For any-one interested in Lynn docks and railways the book The port of King's Lynn and its railways was published by the MG Fell in 2013 (irwell Press). 

 

It covers more modern material but is a fascinating read.

 

I am not sure how widely it was distributed as I bought mine form Lynn after doing a morning shift in the box, as I recall.

 

Ian T

[Regularity]

Mine wasn't either... bloody HSE!

I much prefer the French approach to HSE: it’s your responsibility not to be an idiot.

[Shadow]

Except that it's the irresponsibility of the idiot that effects the non idiots that's the problem.

[runs as required]

Except that it's the irresponsibility of the idiot that effects the non idiots that's the problem.

Interesting point.

The younger son (a failed pop star) has survived into his 50s as an actor maintaining a mortgage - usually an unheard of thing amongst his peers (from RSC and TV celebs downwards) who have to win a competitive audition before every new role.

He gets assignments as the 'mystery shopper irresponsible idiot' on off-shore oil rigs and dangerous industrial installations around the world testing the reactions of non idiot workmates.

dh

[webbcompound]

Edwardian coastal trade was sailing pretty well on the West coast. My own foray into modelling this is Connah's Quay which was the outlet for the brick industries and collieries of the Buckley district. Traffic was in schooners (c80ft long, two masts, or larger three masts) which crossed the Irish sea and ran up and down the coast; Mersey flats (c60ft long, single mast), the local barge type which ran between and around the Mersey and the Dee estuaries, as well as inland along the broad canals; and Welsh sloops which were single masted and sized between schooners and barges. Steam doesn't really appear except occasionally till after WW1. This photo is very clearly post 1900, and probably post 1906 as the wagons on the nearest quay are labelled GC and the railway was not absorbed by the Great Central till 1906. There are plenty of masts present. (Photo courtesy of Flint Archive Service)

 

The Kathleen and May, which still survives, is a three masted topsail schooner which was launched by Ferguson and Baird at their shipyard at Connah's Quay in 1900.

Edited December 14, 2018 by webbcompound

[Hroth]

I don't think you'd get even the smallest Mersey Flat up the Chester Canal, given that the nominal beam of the canal locks is 14ft,  I've seen two trad narrowboats stuck in Christleton lock before today.  I'm also surprised that they would attempt passage between the Mersey and the Dee, it can get pretty tricky out there!

[wagonman]

My comments on shipping were confined to the north Norfolk coast as that is (a) what I know best and (b) relevant to Castle Aching! As the port of Cley declined – it lost its Customs House in the 1850s – Blakeney grew thanks in part to the efforts of the Blakeney Harbour Co, founded in 1817. Indeed, such was its importance in 1882 the E&MR proposed a branch railway from Holt to Blakeney, ending in a new jetty and quay in the middle of the Haven ('The Pit') – so nothing like Geoff Kent's version! Such was its UNimportance, the branch was never built.

 

There was a steam tug (in fact two) at Blakeney – it was called the Comet and was quite small and rather feeble – and there was one steamer that regularly called in our period. This was the Taffy though off the top of my head I can't remember its GRT. I'll have to look it up. I think about 150 tons was the max size that could get to the quay, larger vessels having their cargoes transferred to lighters out in 'The Pit'. To this day the harbour entrance is obstructed by the wreck of the Hjørdis, an iron/steam coaster that foundered in WW1. Messrs Page & Turner, the local merchants, moved their business to Holt, their granary in the station goods yard has only recently been demolished.

 

Wells continued to function as a cargo port until recently. King's Lynn of course still does, though it has lost its rail access.

[Nearholmer]

I know old boats are much more interesting, but the idea that some special breed of person called “idiot” causes accidents is almost completely erroneous. There is a stack of evidence which demonstrates that, under the right/wrong circumstances, almost anyone can/will cause an accident, and some truly terrible accidents have had as their immediate causes the actions of highly diligent and intelligent people.

 

And, I may even have met R@R Junior, because I’ve participated in ‘behavioural safety’ training with a group of thespians who specialise in that area!

 

OK, i’ll Climb down from my high horse now.

[Martin S-C]

some truly terrible accidents have had as their immediate causes the actions of highly diligent and intelligent people.

Armagh, 1889.

[Hroth]

...

 

OK, i’ll Climb down from my high horse now.

Hope you performed a risk assessment before you got on it.

 

Careful now!

[uax6]

Other pictures at the same link. The above is #13 of 30  others I noted of interest (to me)

#1 a 1920s  lorry mounted mobile crane 

The crane is actually not on the lorry, its either on the loading dock, or its a travelling crane mounted on a 4 or 6 wheeled railway chassis. Is it a Cowens?

 

 

Andy G

[Caley Jim]

Armagh, 1889.

Gretna 1915, though that was the result of a combination of circumstances (like most major accidents).

 

Jim

[Edwardian]

Yesterday I had to go up to The Smoke for a meeting and our firm's Christmas Drinks.  I have just returned and look forward to catching up in due course.

 

I set out yesterday morning, picking up January's RM and an Eric Ambler novel at W H Smith, I had a clear run up on the LNER. I emerged from my destination Tube station to a message confirming that completion had taken place on the house. 

 

We may allow ourselves a brief period of rejoicing.  I will catch up with the Memsahib this evening. I suspect that she is feeling like me, simply exhausted.  Hopefully a sense of relief will follow. 

 

Hopefully some modelling may be fitted in around Christmas shopping over the weekend, and I expect that by the New Year some modest relaxation of my very constrained modelling budget might be achieived!

 

In the meantime, my thanks to everyone for their support over a difficult few years.  

 

I will leave the last word to H M Bateman ...

Edited December 14, 2018 by Edwardian

[corneliuslundie]

That is really good news. The ideal Christmas present.

Jonathan

[Nearholmer]

Deck the halls; roast the fatted goose; buy some axle-boxes!

 

I can almost hear the sigh of relief from here.

[TheQ]

Deck the halls; roast the fatted goose; buy some axle-boxes!

I can almost hear the sigh of relief from here.

Axle boxes to be greased with goose fat?

[Hroth]

Axle boxes to be greased with goose fat?

3rd class only, as a Christmas Treat.

[Hroth]

Yesterday I had to go up to The Smoke for a meeting and our firm's Christmas Drinks.  I have just returned and look forward to catching up in due course.

 

I set out yesterday morning, picking up January's RM and an Eric Ambler novel at W H Smith, I had a clear run up on the LNER. I emerged from my destination Tube station to a message confirming that completion had taken place on the house. 

 

We may allow ourselves a brief period of rejoicing.  I will catch up with the Memsahib this evening. I suspect that she is feeling like me, simply exhausted.  Hopefully a sense of relief will follow. 

 

Hopefully some modelling may be fitted in around Christmas shopping over the weekend, and I expect that by the New Year some modest relaxation of my very constrained modelling budget might be achieived!

 

In the meantime, my thanks to everyone for their support over a difficult few years.  

 

I will leave the last word to H M Bateman ...

Congratulations.  I'm sure thats a weight off your mind and a harbinger of better things to come in the New Year!

 

As for Mr Bateman, I feel that he's got his financial facts in a twist.  The repayment of an overdraft would mean less profit for the bank and the staff would be worrying about their end of year bonuses, rather than applauding the customer (Who, btw, looks rather like George Formby to my mind!).

 

As its approaching the Festive Season, I've dug out my favourite seasonal reading, TPs "Hogfather" and "A Christmas Carol", as illustrated by Fluck and Law.  Ideal bedtime reading!

[webbcompound]

My comments on shipping were confined to the north Norfolk coast as that is (a) what I know best and (b) relevant to Castle Aching! As the port of Cley declined – it lost its Customs House in the 1850s – Blakeney grew thanks in part to the efforts of the Blakeney Harbour Co, founded in 1817. Indeed, such was its importance in 1882 the E&MR proposed a branch railway from Holt to Blakeney, ending in a new jetty and quay in the middle of the Haven ('The Pit') – so nothing like Geoff Kent's version! Such was its UNimportance, the branch was never built.

 

There was a steam tug (in fact two) at Blakeney – it was called the Comet and was quite small and rather feeble – and there was one steamer that regularly called in our period. This was the Taffy though off the top of my head I can't remember its GRT. I'll have to look it up. I think about 150 tons was the max size that could get to the quay, larger vessels having their cargoes transferred to lighters out in 'The Pit'. To this day the harbour entrance is obstructed by the wreck of the Hjørdis, an iron/steam coaster that foundered in WW1. Messrs Page & Turner, the local merchants, moved their business to Holt, their granary in the station goods yard has only recently been demolished.

 

Wells continued to function as a cargo port until recently. King's Lynn of course still does, though it has lost its rail access.

I'm not in any way decrying your research and knowledge of Norfolk wagonman, just adding to it with regard to some of the other general comments that were made about sail being defunct by 1900. The schooner Kathleen and May is 137 tons, and was pretty big as far as coastal trade was concerned, most of the schooners calling along the West coast were smaller, being two mast, not three.

[Caley Jim]

 I emerged from my destination Tube station to a message confirming that completion had taken place on the house. 

Delighted to hear that, James and I know exactly how you feel.  We finally managed to sell our old house last summer after trying for several years, including one sale which fell through because of your stupid English system!  (no offence meant)

 

I think you're entitled to deck more than just the halls!  Station building, engine shed, etc too.   In fact, Mr Parish Council Chairman, I move that the entire village of CA should be suitably decorated in celebration!  And then there's that virtual pub crawl we agreed to!   

 

Jim

Edited December 14, 2018 by Caley Jim