rapidotrains Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 While some may want to save money, others, like myself dislike have two powered vehicles at either end of a train. This is not only due to issues with balance of push/pull but because it is a pain when they go between sections. I am seeing an opportunity for an after-market supplier. Customers can order their very own Rapido de-powering kit for £19.95. It comprises two screwdrivers and a pair of wire nippers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Already got one. But you already knew that Jason! S2490018 by Shane Wilton, on Flickr In fact I have eight Untitled by Shane Wilton, on Flickr cheers Shane 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I am seeing an opportunity for an after-market supplier. Customers can order their very own Rapido de-powering kit for £19.95. It comprises two screwdrivers and a pair of wire nippers! No, no, no. Aftermarket depowering service, £49.95. No need for the customers to even touch their prized items... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 No, no, no. Aftermarket depowering service, £49.95. No need for the customers to even touch their prized items... And a nice line in previously cherished motors and worms? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Already got one. In fact I have eight Untitled by Shane Wilton, on Flickr cheers Shane And matching Mk.3s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Not for all of them, working on that! One set is on loan but I did build it, that has 10 mk 3's to go with it. I'm probably looking at one complete set for myself, may do two. Cheers Shane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Can we have one in 7mm please. I would settle just for the power cars! Paul R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Hi all, Bill and I are actually meeting with the NRM tomorrow to discuss our options for the HSDT. I would like to be able to offer the coaches as well, but it has to make economic sense for us to do it. My guess is it will be some months before the official announcement with product numbers and pricing, but I may be wrong... One thing though. We don't make dummies. While I normally say "never say never," I am pretty sure we will never produce a dummy locomotive again. We did it once - what a mistake. They cost us exactly $6 less than a powered locomotive. That's the cost of the motor. All other costs are the same. So all of our Class 41s will be powered. Sorry if that hurts your bank balance! -Jason Well, there are no decent MK IIIs out there right now so.... And as I have a set of the LRC coaches, I just know you will do an uncompromising job on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold John B Posted December 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2015 I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that if Rapido was to announce a range of Mk3 carriages to the same standard as their US / Canadian offerings, they'd be on to a winner. How there is still no high quality Mk3 on the market is astounding, given their widespread use, liveries and longevity. Go for it, Jason! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) I personally think the MK3 by Hornby is more than adequate. Price wise I don't need anything added (discbrakes etc...)as the MK3s are expensive enough as they are, present buffer car blunder accepted. And I certainly don't need them to be lit, too gimicky ! However a new range of MK3s would be needed for the new power cars. Edited December 1, 2015 by thebritfarmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srihaggis Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Prototype MK3's are different to production MK3's. Different gangways, different doors plus some other differences that I can't remember. I think they also had buffers and drop head's but don't quote me on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Here's the classic shot of the almost completed E12002. There is a slight difference with the gangways on later Mk.3s but luckily it is exactly the same as the one Jouef modelled, along with the buffers and different roof vents that were on both the Prototype HST and the original loco hauled Mk.3s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 There are about 6 or 7 significant differences between the prototype HST, production HST and loco hauled coaches. To make an accurate model of the 252 you can't compromise on the detail. Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) Mk 3 FO by Shane Wilton, on Flickr cheers Shane Edited December 3, 2015 by Wolf27 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 In several respects the Prototype HST coaches were nearer to the early loco-hauled stock; production HST coaches were wired in a completely different way, hence the loco-hauled ones were designated Mk.3a as each coach had its own alternator (as did those in the Prototype HST). The Firsts and Seconds also appeared to lack the framing round the windows, but having seen one of the Prototype coaches back in the '80s it became obvious that the framing was there, but the surrounding metal had been joggled so the frame sat flush with the bodyside, the small gap filled with stopper (which was flaking out). The two catering coaches, finished just a little later didn't have this, hence the silver frames were very apparent against the Rail Blue. They still featured the same type of Prototype doors with the separate recess for the door handle though and the window arrangements weren't quite the same as the equivalent TRUK and TRSB in the early production HSTs. Also, as noted earlier, the bogies were an earlier version of what became the BT10. The basic frame and the single spring/pivot/radius arm were employed but the air suspension levelling rods and valves were noticeably different - I wouldn't be surprised if there were other less obvious differences too, though the dampers were mounted vertically whereas those on the Prototype power cars were angled whereas on production power cars they became vertical. Some of the fabric colours on the seats were also different to the production HSTs and the centre saloon partitions were solid, without windows. Before they entered service they did 'play around' with the livery details (at least one Second had big white '2's in the blue band by the doors and the coach numbers altered more than once). One thing to note is how high up the upper grey band went, basically following the join line between the bodyside and roof panels. So I didn't have a nasty join showing on the converted Jouef coach I sawed off a section of the roof and glued and smoothed the join (except above the doors) to make it invisible. The dark roof part still lifts out, but it's narrower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I hope Jason is scribbling notes as fast as he can go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 When the former prototype HST coaches were taken for use in the Royal Train, were all these differences to the production Loco-hauled Mk3 changed or do the differences remain now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The Royal stock was altered over a long period. Don't worry, Jason and the team will have all the info they need. Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srihaggis Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) One of the prototype HST bt10 bogies is on display in derby outside the Silk Mill Museum FYI. Edit: Photo here: https://flic.kr/p/crEi1N Edited December 2, 2015 by srihaggis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold wombatofludham Posted December 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 2, 2015 I recall the prototype Mk3 coaches running in a West Coast rake in the 1971-2 period when I was at primary school which was located next to the Trent Valley line. I assume they were either on mileage accumulation runs or testing for the loco hauled design. Anyone else have any information? I recall they both had large seating class numbers on the blue band and ran in a then new air conditioned rake of Mk2s, so must have been on a Manchester service. I do hope the NRM decide to commission the correct Mk3 coaches to go with the power cars, the obvious thing would be to sell them separately so those on more restricted budgets can spread the cost, or perhaps to sell the power cars as an option with the two catering cars and sell the firsts and seconds separately as they would be needed in roughly equal numbers. Either way I think there will be demand for the Mk3s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 10 MK3s and two power cars, one release a month over the year Simples......................won't happen though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted December 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 2, 2015 HSDT also ran for a while with a Mk1 catering vehicle (in the blue band livery and running on BT10s) before the Mk3 versions were available. I'll happily settle for 7 Mk3s, Western Region style, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) RK 1524. You can easily spot when it's in the rake in contemporary film footage taken from ground level or zipping by because of the exposed solebar! Edited December 2, 2015 by BernardTPM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 MK 1 RKB by Shane Wilton, on Flickr cheers Shane 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 As somebody who only has a 4ft long layout, please, please, please produce the power cars as a single rather than twin pack. There are a number of instances where one power car has operated on its own, or as in preservation where 41001 has worked with a production set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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